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Hours after Trump signs Muslim ban, Texas mosque goes up in flames

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    Saw this on Reddit. What a disgusting state of affairs.

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    Hours after Trump signs Muslim ban, Texas mosque goes up in flames
    Adrienne Mahsa Varkiani
    Used with permission from the Islamic Center of Victoria
    A Texas mosque was set on fire just hours after Trump signed an executive order restricting migration from Muslim-majority countries.

    The Islamic Center of Victoria was set on fire around 2 a.m. on Saturday, according to local reports.

    Victoria Fire Marshal Tom Legler told the Victoria Advocate he had no theories about the cause of the fire, but he is seeking assistance from state and federal fire investigators.

    “It’s a house of worship,” Shahid Hashmi, the president of the center, told the Victoria Advocate, as he watched the center burning. Hashmi also said he will not speculate about the cause of the fire, but mentioned the center was burglarized last week.

    Hashmi said the center is home to over 100 congregation members. No one was injured in the fire.

    On Sunday, the center plans to hold a public prayer service in the lawn to “pray for peace & safety for all.” The center said it will be rebuilt with love, and it has already started a GoFundMe fundraiser for financial support to do so.

    Just hours before the fire, on Friday afternoon, Trump signed the “Protection Of The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States” order. Under the order, nationals of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen are prohibited from entering the United States for at least the next 90 days. All refugee admission has been suspended for at least 120 days, and the admission of Syrian refugees has permanently suspended until further notice.

    The order contains an exception for religious minorities who face “religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.” In other words, there is a caveat for non-Muslims in Muslim-majority countries, making this a very specific Muslim ban.

    Since the election in November, there has been an increase in hate crimes across the country. In the one month following the election, the Southern Poverty Law Center found over 1,000 reports of hate incidents. ThinkProgress is keeping a stricter record of targeted incidents, and we have still found almost 250 incidents of hate. A significant number of these are anti-Islam in nature.

    The fire in Victoria comes just three weeks after an Islamic Center under construction in Austin was set on fire and destroyed.

    https://thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.wb0d6d4wn
     
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  2. DudeWah

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    Eh. This is what a large group of this country basically said "we're okay with" when they elected trump.

    I expect more and more of the same going forward as fear and xenophobia are pushed as mainstream beliefs by the president.

    Any idiot could have seen that these things will start happening from a mile away. But we as a nation decided we're alright with it. So hey, here we are.
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Wonder if this will end up being another one of those situations where a member of the mosque set it on fire as propaganda like happened in SW Houston a few years back. Either way trying to suggest that the two events are linked is pretty laughable....but anything to further a narrative I suppose.
     
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    What's incredible today is finally being able to conceptualize how many Americans will look at that photo and be happy. And then realizing that they don't even understand this is a photo of a piece of America burning to the ground. And that the people going to that building were Americans, just like most other Americans, struggling to pay their bills or find jobs or build a future for their kids.
     
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    I don't usually agree with you.

    I think you have a point though. I mean people like the one above your post are ready to instantly dismiss the entire situation and claim that the victims are probably lying or did it themselves.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/us/washington-mosque-arson/index.html

    This happened earlier this month too.

    Im sure there's no connection at all to the current atmosphere of fear and hate created by the Republican Party.

    Talk about furthering a narrative.
     
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    I wonder which church member did it. Sympathies to the parishioners.
     
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  7. Ubiquitin

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    :mad: Just because a member of that Church burnt it down (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/mississippi-church-fire.html?_r=0) does not make it anymore OK. Arson is disgusting, and the perpetrator if found should be tried to the fullest extant of the law.
    The original article points out association, not causality.
     
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    That is why I put my sympathies to the parishioners. They are still out a church no matter who is found to have burned it. There seems to be the idea that you can just do or say anything you want then blame it on trump.

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    This is the case pretty often, unfortunately. Happened a lot in Germany with refugee camps, so I'd wait for evidence before commenting.
     
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    It's a damn shame no matter what the case though. Politics can make people do some really stupid things.
     
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    I'm hearing Green Card holders are getting banned from coming back too? So like if you have a legitimate green card and you decided to visit your relatives in one of the banned Muslim countries you are barred from coming back home?

    WTF?
     
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    just look at the far right wing degenerate responses here
     
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    Sadly the mosque had already previously been the target of hate crimes, and was burglarized just recently.
     
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    There's a good chance the worshippers set it on fire themselves. They've been known to do red-flags. These sick ****s will do anything.

    Texas Muslim Pleads Guilty to Setting Fire to His Own Mosque

    HOUSTON, Texas — The Muslim charged with arson of his own mosque on Christmas Day 2015 has pleaded guilty to felony arson in a Harris County (Houston) district court and was sentenced to prison.
    The charging instrument stated that Gary Nathaniel Moore started a fire with the intent to destroy and damage a place of worship – the Savoy Masjid Mosque in Houston. Moore said he attended the mosque every day up to five times a day for five years. The Houston Fire Department (HFD) responded to the fire about 2:47 p.m. on Christmas Day.

    Breitbart News reported that “up in smoke is the DC Media’s hoped-for anti-GOP Narrative. Before any facts were known, numerous DC Media outlets immediately exploited the tragedy to place the blame on Donald Trump.” As reported by Breitbart Texas, Breitbart News accurately predicted that the DC media would lose interest in the story “Now that a devout Muslim has been charged.”

    Moore had an examining trial to determine if there was enough evidence to hold him in jail or on bond. On December 31, 2015, a Harris County criminal court judge heard evidence presented by prosecutors and found probable cause to hold Moore, as reported by Breitbart Texas. The evidence against Moore as reported was compelling.

    An HFD investigator determined that the fire had five separate and distinct points of origin. A container of charcoal lighter was recovered at or near one of the points of origin.
    A HFD fire investigator interviewed the Imam who said the mosque was kept unlocked from 7 am – 7 pm every day. The Imam said he did not know how the fire started, and said there should not have been any ignitable liquids inside the mosque.

    Moore told a Houston fire investigator on the day of the fire that “he learned of the fire at the mosque from another member of the mosque who called him at home and brought him back to the mosque.”

    Surveillance video from a business close-by showed “a bald headed dark skinned male walk quickly away from the mosque at 2:39 pm.” He was wearing long dark shorts, a white t-shirt, and had a backpack. The video also showed that three minutes later at 2:42 p.m., smoke could be seen coming from the camera’s viewing angle. Video footage also shows the same person walking towards the mosque at 12:54 p.m.

    The fire investigator who interviewed Moore looked at surveillance video from another location and positively identified the man leaving the mosque as the same person he spoke to at the scene of the fire on December 25. On December 28, another investigator showed Saleem Memon, a member of the mosque for eleven years, a surveillance photo of the man leaving the mosque. He positively identified the man as Gary Nathaniel Moore.

    On December 29, a search warrant was executed for Moore’s residence, and officials found a backpack and clothing that appeared to be the same as Moore had on when at the mosque.

    A container of charcoal lighter was also found at Moore’s residence that was like the charcoal lighter recovered from Moore’s residence.

    According to court documents obtained by Breitbart Texas, Judge Jan Krocker of the 184th District Court in Harris County, Texas sentenced Gary Nathaniel Moore to four years in prison with the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. The criminal court judge ordered that his sentence start on the day he pleaded guilty – December 9, 2016.

    Moore was facing up to 99 years in prison or life. Arson is normally a second degree felony punishable by two to twenty years in prison. When it is elevated to a first degree felony as it has been in this case, it is punishable by five to 99 years or life in prison if a person sets fire to a place of worship.

    The 38-year-old defendant is presently at the Harris County jail in Houston. He was booked in the jail in Houston on December 30, 2015 and has been there on a $100,000 bond.

    A search of records in Harris County, Texas, showed no other criminal history.

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016...ads-guilty-to-setting-fire-to-his-own-mosque/

    And what do you know, it's also in Texas.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing.
     
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    safe to presume all hate crimes are hoaxes until proven otherwise
     
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    I really don't care who did it. I hope the a-hole(s) who did it is/are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
     
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    Actual hoaxes are a very low percentage of hate crimes. You are essentially admitting to acting irrationally.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    And hate crimes against Muslims are also a very low percentage of hate crimes....so how about we wait for more information before jumping to conclusions in order to further a narrative?
     
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    Because the "narrative" is all they have left. They have been pushing the "narrative" so long they couldn't discern the truth if it bit them on the butt.
     
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