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FBI, DHS Officially Classify Antifa Activities As "Domestic Terrorist Violence"

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  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Well Trump did say there were good people who joined in with the self labeled white supremacists protesting.

    The white supremacists publicly thanked him for his kind words.

    What's hilarious is that the extreme 'black supremacist' groups that the right wing posters were so worried about under Obama such as the new Black Panther party hated Obama.
     
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    You know steve bannon?
     
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    Uh... how many alt-right aka white supremacists, bigots, and Nazis does Trump need to surround himself with to meet the criteria? How much anti-immigrant rhetoric does Trump have to promote to meet the criteria?

    You can start with Bannon, Miller, Gorka, Clovis, and Sessions. Then there's just the regular ole Repulicans like Arpaio, that dumbass from Maine, the Texas and North Carolina legislatures, and that fool Steve King. Then there's the hate speech as free speech industry where Republicans show up in public places to talk **** about minorities because it's mah right to insult the coloreds and whine about made up crap like white genocide. Then there's the talk radio bigots and the internet trolls. I mean... was that even a serious question? Lol
     
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    #144 vlaurelio, Sep 6, 2017
  5. MojoMan

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    The KKK/Neo-Nazis are not supported by Republicans or Conservatives, lies by the media and the Democrat left to the contrary, notwithstanding. These people are almost universally condemned.

    Attempts to portray conservatives or Republicans who loathe these people as sympathetic is as blatant a lie as has ever been told. But leave it to millions of people among the Democrat left to collaborate to promote dishonesty on this scope and scale.

    This sort of vile and despicable conduct has been a huge part of the reason why the Democrats have been so thoroughly rejected and rebuked all up and down the ballot over the last seven years, culminating in the humiliation of the Democrat party's hand-picked candidate for president Hillary Clinton by none other than Donald J. Trump.

    Keep it up and you can expect more of the same in 2018 and then again in 2020.
     
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    You seem to have already forgotten David Dukes and other supremacist groups and leaders praising and agreeing with Trump's statements re: Charlottesville. Here are more re: Trump's DACA move. At some point you have to own responsibility for what you say and do.

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. No Worries

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    #147 No Worries, Sep 6, 2017
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    To the Republicans, yes... To the Republican party? Well, you can check the list already provided for you.

    For the record, I don't think the Republican party has sought to make itself the party of neo-Nazis and white nationalists. I wouldn't really say they were connected at all, if not for Trump putting folks like Gorka in his administration.

    But I'm not the one that made an accusation about violent demonstrators not only being part of the party but being an arm of one of the parties.

    Do you believe that AntiFa is connected to the Democratic party?
     
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  9. Space Ghost

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    No, I do not think AntiFa is connected to or represents the Democrat party, even though they overwhelmingly support Democrats.

    The same applies to the White Supremacist and the Republican Party.

    Quite frankly, white people and Republicans are getting tired of being called racists. Cracking down on illegal immigration is not racism and putting people in your cabinet who are supportive of that nature doesn't make them racist. That said, Trump and his administration are despicable.
     
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  10. vlaurelio

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    Cracking down on illegal immigration by racial profiling and/or other illegal/unconstitutional means is racist and putting people in your cabinet who are supportive of that nature makes them racist.

    What do you think about limiting legal immigration?
     
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    I hope they join forces with Juggalos.
     
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  12. dobro1229

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    First of all- please be real and stop spouting Trumps lazy and whiny line about "the media and Dems" as if you and him are victims or something. Have a discussion like a normal human and stop the self pity Trump lines please.

    Second- the Trump White House and the Republican Party as a whole are two different things. The Trump White House undeniably courts a White Nationalist base and its undeniable. There is just no real argument there when you have/had Steve Bannon to the right of the President and the President himself has been a blatant race baiter for decades.

    The Republican Party as a whole is something entirely different but what pulls the levers is almost entirely the money coming in from their primary billionaire donors which is almost entirely what their agenda is set out to pander to. Just look at their AHCA bill, or their new tax bill proposal for evidence. Go check out the proposal just released the other day to TAX YOUR 401K contributions to pay for corporate tax cuts. Go look at the Bush Tax Cuts. Its the same people running the show and the same agenda. Everything comes back to how we can make the Koch brothers & Goldman Sachs execs more rich and it's blatantly obvious. The question for Republican voters or not is whether or not they still believe in trickle down economics, but there is no longer a question about where their loyalties lie.

    Point being - The Republican Party could probably care less about White Supremacy, and anything that is bad for business is bad for the GOP, and given the fact that you saw execs flee from Trump after the "both sides" nonsense after Charlottesville, is pretty indicative about where the billionaire executives land on this argument. They also support immigration because that is good for business, and government subsidized workforce's like you see with large companies like Wal-Mart which make a killing by having a low minimum wage due to the government providing welfare to subsidize their low income workers.

    Thats why its so important to distinguish whatever the Republican Party is, and has been vs. whatever Trumpism is. That's why you see the Republicans that are governing so split on nearly every issue. The people that voted for Trump with the Republican title & Trump have a different agenda all together with the financial backing of the Republican party and its other leaders like Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan. Its an arrangement marriage that will probably lead to one party stabbing the other in the belly in the middle of the night.

    Does that answer SpaceGhost's question? No the GOP isn't what I would call NAZI Racists.... Trump's White House and his collection of diehards... yeah kinda.
     
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    An excellent article on the Democrat's dangerous silence on Antifa by John Kass at the Chicago Tribune:

    The Democratic silence on antifa is dangerous

    There is a disturbing silence from leaders of the Democratic Party over those gangs of black-masked leftist thugs shutting down free speech and beating people to the ground with clubs at Berkeley. We've seen such leftist violence before, and we saw it again just the other day at a protest in Berkeley, when the city police backed off and the thugs who call themselves antifa swarmed peaceful protesters of the right.

    It's all over the internet, young men of the hard left in black masks, black gloves, armed with clubs, hunting down prey who dare speak their minds.

    What's striking about all this is the silence.

    There has been no concerted media effort to pressure Democratic politicians to denounce Democratic muscle. So Democratic politicians have been relatively silent, as have many of their loyal pundits. A few pundits of the left have even compared the thugs with American soldiers hitting Omaha beach, a ridiculous attempt to legitimize the violence. This is all corrosive and dangerous. And in a loud political year, the silence of Democratic politicians explains so very much. Because silence is consent. And in this silence you may hear something terrifying: The rule of law breaking down.

    When politicians aren't pressured to declare themselves, they don't. Most Republican and Democratic pols are transactional personalities who hate taking a stand until after consensus is formed. They'd rather wave a moist finger in the air to see which way the wind blows. This business of political muscle and politicians can be found in the history of Chicago politics too. Any alderman would condemn violent street crime to get journalists off their back. But if you asked them to condemn specific street gangs or Outfit crews by name, asked them to call out thugs who provide them political leverage in the precincts, they'd look at you as if you'd sprouted six heads.

    Now, it's not just a Chicago thing. Political street violence is a national thing. The thugs of the left have shut down free speech at college campuses, at political protests —and they do so at will. Cops in Democratic-run towns now either stand down or step back. And the hunting begins.

    Conservatives see the danger to the republic, but so do a few liberals who have been bold enough to warn against the hard, violent left. Alan Dershowitz, the former Harvard Law professor, is one. "Do not let the hard left, the radicals, represent the Democratic Party," Dershowitz warned recently. "There is an alt-left and we cannot deny it. The alt-left are radical people who want to deny us free speech, who want to close the campus to conversation, who want to stop people from having dialogue, who want to use violence…

    "Antifa is not our friend. They will not help us win elections. ... I do not want to give a pass to the hard radical left, which is destroying America, destroying American universities, destroying the Democratic Party," Dershowitz said.

    The easy parallel to antifa and Berkeley is the properly horrified reaction of most decent Americans to the white supremacists and Nazis rallying recently in Charlottesville. The rally was ostensibly about protecting Confederate history, but in effect, with Nazis and the Klan there, it became the theater of white tribalism. It resulted in the death of a counter protester, Heather Heyer, struck by a car driven in rage by a mad and angry thug of the right. And President Donald Trump's ridiculous equivocation after Charlottesville — chastising extremists but also saying that among them were some "fine people" — cost him dearly. He was loudly condemned by many, including me.

    But at least at Charlottesville and after there was a common understanding, among most journalistic elites, among political elites of both parties, that Nazis and white supremacists would be loudly condemned. Not so with antifa at Berkeley. Leftist thugs seem to be a protected class, as far as Democrats bosses and much of the Washington media are concerned. Until quite recently, antifa was described not by name, but merely by the neutral term "counter protesters."

    Counter protesters?

    Such weakness and partisan favoritism breeds cynicism, and the rule of law breaks down. Berkeley happened just as the deadly hurricane hit Texas, and just as Trump pardoned his ally Joe Arpaio, the notorious former sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona. Arpaio had been convicted of a misdemeanor for violating a court order seeking to stop his office from discriminating against Latinos in a war against illegal immigration that has overwhelmed Arizona. He's become something of a hero to the right, even though he was a lawman openly defying a judge. There is an easy argument that Arpaio represents the weakening of the rule of law. He was a sworn lawman, yet brazenly ignored the courts. But that's a political slogan. Slogans are too easy. And they don't get to the thing itself.

    Because long before Arpaio was sheriff, the borders with Mexico had been corrupted. Republican big business wanted cheap and compliant Mexican agricultural labor. Democrats wanted a new dependent class of compliant constituents. Federal immigration laws were already a joke. And when the rule of law is mocked by the political elites, it breaks down. History tells us that men like Arpaio enter the breach.

    So ask yourselves: With leftist antifa thugs becoming increasingly violent, and mealy-mouthed Democratic politicians hesitant to denounce potentially useful political muscle, who steps into the breach?

    I hope it worries you a bit. It worries me, too.
     
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  14. fchowd0311

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    I think this part of the article highlights how out of touch the author is. Moderates, liberals and Latinos hate Joe not because he defied a judge's order. They despise him and what he represents because he explicitly violates our bill of rights explicitly the 4th amendment clause 'unreasonable search and seizures' by apprehending and searching individuals with out warrants on the basis of appearance of ethnicity.

    How can he be a hero for the right when the right touts Constitutional law and order out of their asses? Seriously, MojoMan, I think it's safe to assume you've done your fair share of high horse 'we must abide by the Constitution' bull crap but in practice it seems like you have an affinity for those who explicitly violate our most basic rights as Americans.
     
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    An important quote from leftist lawyer Alan Deshowitz, also from the Chicago Tribune article above:

    Conservatives see the danger to the republic, but so do a few liberals who have been bold enough to warn against the hard, violent left. Alan Dershowitz, the former Harvard Law professor, is one.

    "Do not let the hard left, the radicals, represent the Democratic Party," Dershowitz warned recently. "There is an alt-left and we cannot deny it. The alt-left are radical people who want to deny us free speech, who want to close the campus to conversation, who want to stop people from having dialogue, who want to use violence…

    "Antifa is not our friend. They will not help us win elections. ... I do not want to give a pass to the hard radical left, which is destroying America, destroying American universities, destroying the Democratic Party," Dershowitz said.    ​
     
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    Antifa is not a major movement. It doesn't represent the left at all at this stage. It's not supported or endorsed by any Democrat. They do not meet with democratic leaders. They do not have any political representation at any level unlike the alt-right. They do not influence the news media. It's debatable if they are even leftists versus anarchists. Right now they seem to be targeting the alt-right and hate groups. That doesn't make them alt-left or anything left.

    It is the right that is trying to make the left own Antifa as a means to smear the left. Let's be honest here.
     
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    Look at Mojo going all Russian Legend, scouring the web for Antifa editorials to prop up his failed position. Sad.
     
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    Crisis manufactured!
     
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    Per the leader of House Democrats.

    What do you people want... ads on FoxNews condemning Antifa for punching a Nazi and burning a trash can? Good Lord... FoxNews Right Wingers are so damn self important. She's also right that they should be arrested which is a question of if they are so bad, what is wrong with our law enforcement not being able to arrest these idiots?

    Also, there is a TON of important legislation going on right now. The government might shut down in the matter of weeks for crying out loud. The Dems don't even have time to discuss the Russian investigation, Trump's clear disregard for the Emoluments clause, etc. etc. which is something politically they should be talking about daily like the Republicans would if the shoe was on the other foot. If these items are pushed down the list, how freaking important do you think it is for Democrats to be spending their precious public capital on condemning Antifa... an organization whose biggest crime has been punching Nazi's??
     
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