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CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Dec 10, 2016.

  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    Yeah anyone skeptical that Hillary would have lost except for Russian manipulation is a commie sympathizer. Anyone not finding pretty much raw claims by our intelligence agencies not necessary credible is a Putin worshipper.

    It probably does surprise Putin that there are millions of commie sympathizers (or at least Putin worshippers as I doubt he considers himself a commie )among our countrymen. As many know I am not a my country right or wrong patriot and consider myself a democratic socialist who is not in favor of much of American foreign policy which I would say is a colonialist anachronism benefitting a small portion of the 1% and the military industrial complex. However, I, too ,would be extremely surprised to find many commie sympathizers or at least mindless Putin worshippers among my fellow country men. .
     
  2. pirc1

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    Putin and Russian government had an influence on this. How much did it Russia influence the election, no one knows for sure. Putin will very likely have the sanctions against Russia lifted once Trump is in office, so he did win this round (Hillary would not have lifted the sanctions). We as a country elected Trump, that's what we will have to live with, but we can certain discuss if there are things that can be done to minimize the occurrence of these events in the future, or at least minimize the effect of such events.
     
  3. glynch

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    For those who do not automatically accept the mainstream medias take on foreign affairs, even if all 20 etc. of the mainstream sources largely agree as for instance in the run up to the Iraq War here is an interesting take on their reporting., In his final press conference, beginning around 8 minutes 30 seconds in, Obama admits that they have no evidence of how WikiLeaks got the DNC material. This undermines the stream of completely evidence-free nonsense that has been emerging from the US intelligence services this last two months, in which a series of suppositions have been strung together to make unfounded assertions that have been repeated again and again in the mainstream media.

    Most crucially of all Obama refers to “The DNC emails that were leaked”. Note “leaked” ad not “hacked”. I have been repeating that this was a leak, not a hack, until I am blue in the face. William Binney, former Technical Director of the NSA, has asserted that were it a hack the NSA would be able to give the precise details down to the second it occurred, and it is plain from the reports released they have no such information. Yet the media has persisted with this nonsense “Russian hacking” story.

    Obama’s reference to the “the DNC emails that were leaked” appears very natural, fluent and unforced. It is good to have the truth finally told.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/01/stunning-admission-obama-wikileaks/

    listen to Obama on this at around 8:20.
     
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    The video no longer work and I can't find his final press conference on youtube. Bummer.

    But, if "leaked" word was used and that's evidence of a stunning admission... well. Obama is a very good speaker and try to keep thing accurate, but he sometime even fail quite amazingly. Recall him stating there were 57 states? I'm sure we all can agree there aren't 57 states. He got the number wrong there, but we all knew that, even though he didn't at the time. As for leaked vs hacked, it's not inconceivable at all to interchange them - Russian hacked DNC and leaked it to Wiki. I wouldn't use the word by itself to mean hack, but as far as that's being evidence - no, not at all. A word choice with no clarification (I assume not since there is no mention of a follow-up question) doesn't disqualify the intel report of the CIA, FBI and NSA.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    next up: glynch details how Ted Cruz' father, a secret anti-communist double agent, killed JFK from the grassy knoll in 1963.
     
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    Where are those emails?
     
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    What emails?
     
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    Those Hillary emails she stored on her own server, lol
     
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    They recovered most of them and proved that she broke the law and should probably be in jail.....and then they decided not to do anything about it.
     
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    Wasn't white house phone record suppose to be archived?
     
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    Probably. That's a bit like a jaywalking offense though. Not something that is a big deal like mishandling classified information would be.
     
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    Obama does something secret, its okay people should not be allowed to know those things. Trump does it, how dare he!!!

    You're no better than the people you hate and you don't even know it. What a sad life. I'm pity you and others like you.
     

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