[Chicago Gonna Chicago] Teen murdered on family's front porch

This what Trump had to say:

http://chicagoist.com/2017/07/28/what_the_hell_is_going_on_in_chicag.php

So... you really want to stick with "he said something about Chicago" as your strongest defense of Trump? As usual, Trump comes up with some lie that will supposedly solve a problem. I wonder if the mythical cop is John McClain...

 

Chicago's problems have nothing to do with Trump

Its a ridiculously violent city

 

Maybe Trump should shut his yap instead of spouting insane and unbelievable statements about Chicago , and republicans should quit trying to politicize the crime problem in Chicago?

 

Regardless of Trump, problems like the violence in Chicago require honesty in assessment and solutions

 

Well, I only wish Two Scoops would roll up his sleeves and actually try to contribute to a solution. Chicago is a very difficult nut to crack and it's been taking shape for really more than a century.

I don't like the politicization of it when someone isn't using whatever power they have to help solve the crisis, and it's a crisis.

He promised us that "carnage stops now" on the day of his inauguration. So "what's going on in Chicago?" doesn't sound like it's coming from the same mouth really.

 

Correlation is not causation

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...rease-causes-edit-0118-md-20170117-story.html


The jump in homicides did follow close behind several notable events: the release of the video showing the police fatally shooting Laquan McDonald, the launch of a Justice Department investigation of the Chicago Police Department, a new policy on street stops resulting from a city agreement with the American Civil Liberties Union and a decline in the number of stops.

Any or all of these may have had an effect, by emboldening criminals and causing cops to go "fetal," as Mayor Rahm Emanuel has said. But a healthy skepticism is in order. The McDonald video was shocking. But in 2014, New York had the video of a cop putting a chokehold on Eric Garner, who died as a result, and New York's homicide rate continued its long decline. Chicago police stops dropped by 80 percent from November 2015 to January 2016 and remained at that level throughout 2016. But New York police, under a federal court order, cut the number of stops by 97 percent from 2011 and 2015 with no ill effects. And Chicago cops were aggressive enough last year to confiscate more guns than they had in 2015.

So the study leaves the most important question — how to reverse the trend — unresolved. Its authors say they stand ready to help policymakers, nonprofits and others apply the data to drive solutions. What can be said with some confidence is that better relations between police and residents of the most crime-ridden communities would foster more cooperation and less conflict, which in turn could help stem the violence. Whatever other changes are needed, that one should be a high priority.

 

LOL... you complained about the lack of data or study... someone posts one, and you complain that data and studies don't prove anything...

 

The reality is... there are no simple solutions... certainly none such as those offered by (or at least talked about by) Trump. Especially is laughable imaginary person who will solve the Chicago crime problem in a week. And the Trump speech encouraging police violence? Jeez.

What is required is an understanding as to what is causing or contributing to the problem. The Mayor is partially correct when he says jobs are one solution. And Trump is partially correct when he wants to increase focus on the problem. Gun control proponents are partially correct when they say there are too many guns in the city. Conservatives are partially correct when they say a breakdown in the family contributes to the problem.

 

Chicago gonna Chicago...? Jeez wow

 

The Cartels feeding the drug trade are the problem in Chicago. Al Jazerra America channel had a GREAT series of reports on the gangs and why there was so much violence. They kill each and innocent bystanders, while avoid hurting the customers (mostly white) because it is bad for business. If you want to stop the violence, stop the flow of drugs. As someone said, the gangs are not importing the drugs into the country.

 

There is a guy somewhere in Chicago willing to murder to make relatively paltry profit margins on drugs that are widely available in virtually all countries, and especially - for lack of better term - first world countries. Mind you, many of those countries do not have a Chicago-sized or Chicago-type problem.

You take the drug game away. The guy still has his gang. His guns. His anger. His gang is still a bunch of poor people. They are still disenfranchised. They are still treated like garbage, and if drugs are to disappear they have been treated worse than ever before. Many of their friends and/or families will have been killed, jailed, beaten.

What is your prediction of what happens next?

I'll give you a hint: before Chicago, there were other Chicagoes.

 

95% of us will never engage in violent crime of any kind, despite the century and a half of dehumanization and social and economic quarantine racist little turds like you inflict and keep rationalizing with anecdotal crap like this. Make sure to read the entire paragraph of mine that you quoted from a completely irrelevant thread.

 

Do something liberals.