What did Phoenix just pay Ariza again? If someone wants to pay Capela what he thinks he’s worth then let them. In a cap strapped FA market Capela is trying to play hard ball and turning down a contract that is more than fair. Maybe he should’ve waited a year before coming to the league or maybe just maybe he should be glad he got an opportunity here and be grateful that him and anybody else with the last name Capela is set for life with $85M guaranteed.
Capela is an idiot. He would be getting **** you money. He would be 29 at the end of that 5 year contract and signing a max deal if he keeps up what he has been doing. He is great with Harden and CP3 but he is obviously a limited player. Just mind blowing he rejected that offer.
Everybody in Houston is cocky and greedy. Only player to ever take a paycut was charles barkley and Le$ finnessed the hell out of him and he almost did that to cp3 but Tilman paid him
This is going to go down as a staring contest. If he doesn't take the offer... well we all know what happened to DMO. Promising career as our starting pf and then off to new orleans and now china? At the End Clint knows he needs and wants us as much as we need him. He'll rot without our two guys. If he decides to be a biatch... I hope he knows he is done after December and will probably be playing in a diff uniform. 85 million is alot of money. Is he trying to open a hospital or something?
Why is everyone acting like Harden and Paul are the only two creators in the league? Two days ago everyone was whining about how we need more shot creators. The Lakers have 3-4 of them. Other teams have creators, and they create in different ways than iso's. Why are points the only measure of success to you guys? Clint is all about winning. If he has to see his points go down while his wins, rebounds, blocks and defense go up, then so be it. He's in it for a ring, not for a scoring title. Why is everyone acting like Clint is not going to improve? He has shown up better than anyone expects every year he's been in the league. If he's not as effective elsewhere, he will make himself effective shortly after. Clint's next 4 years are worth almost as much as Paul's next 4 years. That's how investments are valued. All the future returns at a certain price today. In 2 years, Clint Capela might be a better player than Chris Paul. In 3 years, he will definitely be a better player. That's the truth. Harden earned his max, if anyone should get a max. Paul should have taken a discount. Les/Morey screwed up with Ryno. And now Tilman is screwing us with his cheapskate championship run. "It's a business" right. Asking for too much is no different than offering too little. Capela deserves what he can extract. If we think we're going to compete with the Warriors while our 3rd best player is on a QO and our 2 best defensive players walked to other teams, we are sorely mistaken.
Honestly, we have to look at this from Capela's perspective. We all know he won't sign the QO for $4.7/mil because that would not be the best option for him in the long run. The worst that could happen is Capela signing a 2/$30 and be an UFA. That would get him paid and allow him to get another chance at a big payday in 2 years (perhaps 4/$100). That's an equivalent to 6/$130 or $21.67 per year. Let's say he signed the QO. Not only would he risk an IT situation if he gets injured and missed 25+ games or even a down year, but he is still not guaranteed to sign a max deal with another team at that time. Best case for him would be (Assuming he gets a max deal next year) $4.7 + 4/$100. That would still only be 5/$105 or $21.25 per year which is technically less and had to risk injury for it as well as possibly change teams (where he would have to pay state tax) If you look at it from his perspective though- if he accepted the 4/$60 mil deal, then he is not guaranteed a max after 4 years as anything could still happen (injuries, worse production, etc). If he does well then perhaps he signs a 4/$100 then giving him 8/160 or $20.00 per year. To get that he would have to avoid pitfalls for 4 years at a lower contract than what he wanted. But he could possibly stay with the Rockets that whole time as well giving him the best shot at improving and keeping his stats up. Best case scenario for him would be for the Rockets to up the offer to 4/$80 for him now and he accepts. That could be similar to the previous deal but give him an extra $20 mil on top or a total of 8/$180 $22.5 per year over that span. In the best 3 scenarios he will most likely stay with the Rockets for at least 6 years (assuming he stays healthy and the team is still winning) getting about $21-$23 mill per year. The scenario that is the unlikeliest is the QO where it would be at best 5 years and definitely with another team after next season (causing his stats and effectiveness to go down and his offers to plummet). So those that are worried about him accepting the QO and then bolting? Don't! He will be locked up with the Rockets for the long haul soon enough. The only thing that may get in the way of that would be a trade. I see Capela working on his jump shot and footwork around the rim and becoming better. Worst thing for him is to plateau because that's when the max offers go away. Remember, he is not Shaq or Hakeem. This is not a Center oriented league any longer. One down year in a contract year could break him in the long run. I don't blame him for getting paid now but he is not stupid enough to play for peanuts and risk everything either. All the Rockets have to do is up the offer $20 mil at 4 years and he's in.
So are we thinking Capela can only be good with a minimum of 2 elite creators + a minimum of 2 superstars + shooters everywhere? Capela is still going to block those shots, grab those rebounds, switch excellently and improve all the time. The most likely scenario on any team in the NBA is: he does those things + improves his FT% to where he's not hackable + eclipses 30 minutes per game + slightly more polished hook shot. Clint is not worth than money to us, because of what we've done to the big picture asset. On a team like the Spurs, they will continue his development at the same pace and he will be unrecognizable by the time he's James Harden's current age.
Clint Capela would have been a restricted free agent next year had he stayed in Europe his rookie season like Daryl Morey wanted him to. But him and his agent forced him on the team. That's why Morey not Budging.
Yes he was great during the regular season and first 2 rounds of the playoffs. But when we needed him the most against GS. He was completely useless in that series and got his ass handled by draymond. He better take this more then fair deal or good luck next year
Exactly Harden earned his maxed, you’re forgetting he still had to prove it before he got his latest contract. In fact Harden got less than Capela would get in this offer he declined. Harden got around 15 -17m Capela wants 20m. I think 85m in 5 years is fair enough plus once the next contract is up he would probably get a max deal. Capela doesn’t deserve more than they have already offered. Specially in this season with not a lot of demand for centers. He hasn’t gotten any offers because other teams would probably only give him around the same as the rockets offered and then the rockets would have matched. If anything Capela has to show he is worth of a max deal because without cp3 and specially without Harden Capela can’t score and he gets lost against quicker teams or better big man. Oh yea and he always goes soft around the basket and tends to get blocked even by smaller guys or misses the lay up instead of dunking it. And if you’re talking about us beating the warriors then we should totally let Capela walk. He did nothing in the series. He was lost. And right now the market is dry no one can offer him what he wants and I doubt we offer anything more but we might just to keep him happy but maybe 90m. He wants more than he is worth. You’ll see it if he leaves Houston he won’t average as many points and if he can’t score his defense isn’t that great either. He tends to leave his man and tried to block every shot even if he is late. Resulting in his man getting a rebound or easy score for the other team or he being out of position. Too many times he tried to dribble and score on his own and gets block, loses the ball or takes a terrible shot. And those switches aren’t great either he created mismatches either on him or their big having an easy shot at the rim. So yea he isn’t worth 100m He is good and knows his role he still can improve but he should know he isn’t worth 100m. And just because other teams or GMs overpaid their centers, it also depends on the market during that season. That’s why Ryan Anderson got overpaid because a lot of players got overpaid that season. And Clint should be smart he should look at Noel or other players like dmo. And he should know that if he takes the QO he will lose money anyway and would be risky not even getting paid what we offered and gettkng paid way less. You never know bad seasons could happen, injury, or just average or down season. We want to beat the warriors and if we aiming for that in reality Capela can’t help us if he plays like this past season against the warriors.
I love Capela, i'd still have no problems to lose him if he wants too much money, but we absolutely need to get something back for him, cannot lose him for nothing. Really sucks that the Kings 1st rounder goes to Boston next season, Capela for Cauley-Stein and SacTown 1st rounder would've been really interesting.
For someone who’s expendable, Capela sure would fetch a lot in hypothetical trades according to some here. How many times did we hear this year what the Rockets record was with their “Big 3”? Are you telling me Morey himself and/or no one affiliated with the team ever brought it up? Well, maybe Capela heard it too. Now the Rockets want to get away with paying one of the three half as much as the others. As our very own head of the NBAPA has shown us and the rest of the team/league, get ALL you can for yourself, and worry about the rest of the team second. It’s the only way apparently.
Can't blame him for wanting more money. He's gotten better every season and sees other centers who've gotten paid and he wants that. Unfortunately for him I don't think he'll get his asking price after this coming season if the takes the QO. I'm ok with him walking as well just as long as we get something.
I don't think that is the reason. Tillman doesn't want to overpay him. He knows Clint is not worth 20 M. His limitations were exposed by GS.
He averaged 10 and 10, shot 72% from the field, had the best offensive rating and defensive rating on the team, and managed to stay on the floor for 30 minutes in a switch everything defense. If anything he proved he is the perfect center for a team looking to beat GS. Most bigs can't even stay on the floor against the Warriors. How exactly was he exposed? Because we had a few less lobs than usual because they have the best PnR defender in the NBA, that's hardly being exposed.
Good on you Clint for tryng to get the max... But I must warn you there are very few players like James Harden around the league - guys that will make you look so much better than you really are. But I guess you prefer your second contract to be in the 8-10m/yr range.
I know it's not my money but leaving potentially 10 million dollars on the table, 15 at most, to stay on a title contender and continue to be recognized as a key cog and star is more than worth it in my eyes. Especially since he would be able to easily make a ton of that money up with regional and potentially national, though the latter is suspect the former certainly is not, endorsements. And it's not like you're leaving that , money on the table with a 50 million dollar deal the worst case scenario is that he gets a guaranteed 85 million dollars. Hopefully this is just a negotiating ploy and he's not going to foolishly not take the offer or taken the one year qualifying offer. He did get hurt last year I mean remember Isaiah Thomas.
