The only evil here is a few ignorant jackass white men telling a whole bunch of women what they can and cannot do with their body.
I didn't think this could possibly be true but if this Alabama bill becomes law then the punishment for raping a minor or mentally impaired person will be less than the punishment for the person performing the abortion.
If you believe that abortion is murder, then the punishment for abortion has to be greater than the punishment for rape.
Never mind there are federal laws against killing people... you are actually saying that state law can allow killing of a person? What kind of twisted BS is this?
Let's just up the punishment for the rapist if the person they rape gets an abortion by leveraging the transitive property of rape-induced-abortion-murder logic.
Well, the Supreme Court has of course ruled repeatedly allowing for capital punishment laws, whic are state laws that permit the killing of people.
Well, a moment ago you were calling BS on the very possibilty of any state laws allowing for the killing of people.
jesus, on the very topic that the fetus as a person and thus, how can you have state law that allow abortion... I know you know this and you are playing the I'm stupid and cannot hold a honest conversation role.
The worst part about the abortion debate is the "White men telling women what to do with their bodies" nonsense. You either accept a fetus as a life or you don't. If you don't, why does it matter who is telling the woman what to do with her body? If you do, why does it matter who is telling you not to kill the life? The nonsense drives me crazy. If a white man thinks it's a life he has the same duty to protect it as a black man or a woman would.
It is racism, straight up. Some people are so lacking in self awareness that it does not even occur to them to evaluate their own attitudes and their own behavior for these tendencies.
I don't think the S. Ct will ban abortion. They know what's up for the folks who appointed them. A ban will rile the strong majority of Americans who are pro choice. It will take an election cycle or two, but it will end the conservative surge that led to policy after policy shifting money to the top which is what the folks who really run the GOP care about. They need to keep the whole abortion issue going to get the little guys and gals voting against their financial interests. Of course the GOP big guys will still fight higher minimum wages, free health and birth control, subsidized or free child care, and sex education etc. -- all things that lead to less abortions in these more socialist, less church attending countries in Western Europe than in the Bible Belt. It is sort of a pain, but the rich folks who run Alabama and other conservative states will do what they did for many years. They will fly their mistresses, daughters and others to New York and other states for abortions if needed.
This is a gross misunderstanding of the function of the judiciary. The Supreme Court doesn't ban abortion, the state legislature did. SCOTUS just rules whether or not such a ban is constitutional (it most certainly is, you can't point to anything in the document prohibiting such a ban) States should be free to make their own abortion laws. Alabama can protect the unborn. Virginia can allow the killing of full term babies (it's disturbing how people here are more upset by the former).
Not so black and white. There is I believe the fetus as a life. I do not believe that. I don’t know. There is also I do, but only after certain time. I do, only because of the host. There is also I believe the host has or does not have final determination, whatever my belief of fetus as life. If there is a drug that can save a cancer patient and the parent refuses to use that on their dying child, personhood is no longer a debate but there are still two group of thought - must save the person, must allow parent the choice. Not as direct, but we already have this split with vaccine and medical care. In some cases the state does force and punish the parent, in other the state does not. Public support is split.
Who is for killing full term babies again? Late term abortions are like 1% of abortions and are basically because of complications to the mother or that the baby is likely not going to survive. I'm guessing the number of pregnant women that carry a baby for 30+ weeks then decide last moment "I don't want it..." is probably lower than actual 1% and probably could be listed.
A horrible situation to be sure. I'm not sure destroying the innocent life that comes from such a situation does much to improve things, and may in some cases be more damaging than carrying to term. Having said that, I think the law established in Alabama today is flawed in this regard. There is no easy answer.
