Alabama passes near total abortion ban

The nonsense in the “white men telling people what to do argument” is the fact that the white men are merely representatives of the people of the State of Alabama who elected them, men and women, and their views on abortion.

Governor is a woman btw.

*dont support the legislation but “white man bashing” is logically flawed imo.

 

Like rape and incest?

It's sad how both sides polarize the issue on 1% of cases.

This isnt a debate on abortion. It's purely tribalism.

 

History has never looked back kindly on the right wing types like yourself.

 

This is about overturning roe. And not simply just overturning roe, but having the SC overturn it on the basis that a fetus is a person. That’s not 1%.

As for rape related pregnancies and abortion.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248

It's significant. 32k preg per year due to rape. 50% underwent abortion.

RESULTS:
The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.

CONCLUSIONS:
Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence. As we address the epidemic of unintended pregnancies in the United States, greater attention and effort should be aimed at preventing and identifying unwanted pregnancies that result from sexual victimization.

 

The Republican Party is closer to ISIS than they realize. They would throw gays off of roofs of buildings if they could

They selfishly impose their beliefs over the country. What happened to the separation of church and state?

 

More like Taliban than ISIS IMO.

 

Don’t they make Toyota Tacomas in Alabama? The official vehicle of ISIS and the Taliban

 

You're response is going to be that this is just a strawman argument but it's really a look at how the right has historically been on the wrong side of things for so long...

Should states be allowed to reinstate segregation? Does no one see the irony in that it's mostly the same states that argued for the right to segregate based on skin color that are pushing these draconian laws?

Where do you draw the line on what should be a state issue vs what should be a national issue? There are just some issues that are bigger than being just a state decision. This IS an issue of equality and liberty. This is an issue over whether women have the right to make decisions about their own body. In a state where they rank 50th in education and 47th in number of citizens with health insurance, maybe their priorities are just a bit out of whack. This law isn't going into effect when it's scheduled to as it will be mired in court cases for some time. The last time Alabama tried this, they ended up, unsurprisingly, on the losing side and had to pay the ACLU nearly $2 million in court costs.

 

It all comes down to what Roberts want, it is as simple as that. He is the swing vote now.

 

What's the over/under on how long it will be until a politician from Alabama who supports this is exposed for having obtained an abortion for their daughter and used their power/status to avoid consequences?

 

Right that's my point. You can agree or disagree with the legislation, have whatever opinion you have on abortion, etc. but this "White men shouldn't be allowed to enact legislation on this issue" stance is just plain dumb.

 

This is one way to paint the issue, but it's insulting. You classify it as an argument over whether women can control their bodies, I would classify it as an argument over whether the government will recognize the unborn as a life with legal protection. In my argument I recognize that there is a debate about whether the unborn represent a life. I respect that you see it differently. In your argument you see the other side as oppressive.

 

I totally get your point, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be more pissed if a bunch of women (instead of men) were telling me what I could and couldn't do with my j*zz.

 

If the Supreme Court overturns Roe, there will be room for state laws that accommodate either interpretation, and various degrees of either interpretation. And that will go a long way towards diffusing the societal tension that has continuously attended this issue since the publication of the Roe v Wade opinion.

 

The men aren't telling them what to do with their vagina.

Still, if you don't think someone of the opposite gender should have the ability to vote on/enact legislation regarding your sexual health, etc. then you shouldn't live in a representative democracy.

Alabama isn't Saudi Arabia. The women of Alabama can vote. They do vote. The people of Alabama voted for the legislature they have AND their female governor.

 

Unlikely. Alabama declares the unborn as a legally protected person. If the SC rules on that case it wouldn't be merely overturning Roe, it would likely be forced to take a position on THAT, which is what Alabama wants. The anti-abortion movement is going all in right now with the Kavenaugh court. They aren't going to try do this incrementally. They want the court to have a chance to declare the unborn people with legal protections which would end abortion nationwide.

 

In a state that doesn't educate their children and has a very low insured rate, I'd argue that Alabama only respects what they call a life until they're born. After that day...f*** em'. I guess I just find the symmetry between the states that are passing these laws with the ones that fought the hardest FOR segregation interesting.

And that's just the ones we know about.