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Zach Lowe: Rockets interested in Lauri Markkanen

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaBeard, Jul 26, 2024.

  1. MystikArkitect

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    Reed Sheppard - Lauri Markkanen - Alperen Sengun is a circus defensively.
     
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    "Good faith" lol, I think "bad faith" goes hand in hand with demonising kids for painting their nails because you're a massive homophobe. As in, when you let faith turn you into a massive bigoted cuntstain, it's all bad.
     
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    I imagine you don't have to play them all at the same time, but I'd assume you'd have to play at least two of those guys together at pretty much all times. Would be wild from a defensive minded coach.

    p.s. I think Sengun is a lot better defensively than people give him credit for, but he's a far cry from Rudy Gobert or Bam Adebayo in that department.
     
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    If you approached this in good faith, you'd understand that would make one of the worst shooters in the entire league above average for his position... which is a massive leap you are trying to trivialize with small numbers.... an insanely bad faith way of approaching the issue.
     
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    thanks for sharing...useful info and it seems like there is huge jump in 10+ feet shooting from 2022-2023 to 2023-2024...still, since Silas didn't want Sengun to shoot, I would take 2023-2024 as baseline....Lets see how he does this year
     
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    You're starting all 3 guys. You're also finishing with all 3 of those guys as they'd be the highest probability of putting the ball in the basket.

    But Lauri is a no go on this team for a number of reasons. The biggest of which is that a better more inexperienced version of him is already on the roster. It'd be like trading Reed Sheppard for Grayson Allen.
     
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    Not sure what the nitpick is as most would understand the context.

    Offensively, roles are blurred (less defined than the early 2000's), where wings like LeBron is a point forward, and Jokic is a point center. On those teams, these non guards have the assist duty (and stats), which is what I was referring. Lauri can pass some, but he's not a Chris Paul and in his career, the system wasn't emphasizing on his passing. People comparing his assist stat to a Jalen seems moot.

    Defensively, position-less just means most guys are expected to defend more than their previous exact position. A SF (3) like Dillon can defend switch on 2-4, and a mobile center possibly for 3-5.
     
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    I just listened to the whole podcast this entire thread was built on and both Lowe and McMahon agreed that it was unlikely that Lauri was getting traded and even if he was it'd have to be an insanely massive overpay. The Rockets were mentioned but it wasn't even from a rumor, they just said we had assets and Udoka is interested in winning now. No actual link to the Jazz. 13 pages for nothing.
     
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    Omg man Malik Monk has never been to the line more than 2.8 times in any season. Jalen had 6+ FTA in his age 20 season.

    Lauri is a shooter and nothing else. If he's not way better than Green at that, obviously the younger player who is not injury prone, a better passer and can get to the line is the better player.

    At least make a case if you have one.
     
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    Won't deter the Jalen "non-haters" from partying.
     
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    Welcome (back) to the summer in the GARM.
     
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    High price. Bad fit. Whats more to consider?
     
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    c’mon, t-i-r-e-d. Superstar? No. Bust? No. NBA rotational player? Absolutely, and at the least.
     
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    Space is necessary in todays NBA. You cant just spam PNR and dump downs all game long. Defenses WILL take away Sengun via double teams. They will hedge vs PNR. Having him step out and the defense follow him would be huge especially in the playoffs when outcomes are reduced to one or two possessions.

    I find the juxtaposition that Silas hindered one player more than another odd especially within an edict to tank. Sengun has been playing high level ORGANIZED ball from an early age. Jalen Green (and most notable US hoopers for that matter) was an AAU kid who has had to learn to play the sport the "right" way. Bypassing college for a payday was probably a mistake in helping him transition quicker, but it is what it is he needed the money to stabilize his family.

    The cream will rise to the top - it always does and the Houston Rockets will be better for it. Either we develop an organic core that leads to rings or the ensemble of parts will attain a true difference maker to achieve that end. The ballclub is set up beautifully thanks to Rafael Stone whether egomaniacal fans want to believe it or not.
     
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    Bust is exactly what anyone would call a #2 overall draft pick that isn't a starting caliber player and is one of the worst shooters in the league.
     
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    How can you say this and still keep supporting a SG that can't shoot?
     
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    If we have reliable outside shooters, it would be less likely to double team him but in general, I agree with you that Sengun should improve his shooting.
    Also, I am not in mood for endless arguments but you are talking to the foxes in your head. I didn't say anything about Silas hindering Sengun more than others. I just repeated a well known fact, which is that Silas didn't want Sengun to shoot. It is actually on video. Ime, on the contrary, wants him to shoot. Thats why I am saying last year should be Sengun's baseline to see how much he will improve this year. Otherwise, the data might show that he took a huge leap from 2022-2023 to 2024-2025. I am saying let's see if he is going to take a big leap again this year to confirm or deny the accuracy of that big leap from 2022-2023 to 2023-2024. It will also confirm how much he has been working on his shooting. I saw him working on his core strength. Hopefully, he will come back bulkier. I wanna also see that he worked on his shooting. Thats all!
     
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    4.9 FTA per36 for Jalen last year.
    3.9 FTA per36 for Monk last year.

    Bruh is all spicy for 1 extra FTA per36. :D

    Again, wild ass take.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Last year they had a gap in 4 years of experience and age and per 36 never extrapolates like this.


    His his first few seasons there is no debating, My no was less efficient on less volume and less defensive attention. Dude became a decent role player by year 5.
     

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