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  1. bullardfan

    bullardfan なんでやねん

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  2. dharocks

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    It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility to me that OSHA, which doesn't have the greatest track record of keeping workers safe, may be setting the PELs too high.

    International Journal of Epidemiology, V.36, #5, pp. 1048-1059:

    American Journal of Public Health, V.97, #3, pp. 545-551:

    European Respiratory Journal, v. 19, pp. 172-181:

     
  3. Honey Bear

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    It's actually healthy to consume 2-3 cigarettes per week, in addition to looking extremely stylish if done the right way.

    After a long run or workout.

    After sex.

    First thing in the morning after getting very little sleep. Or too much.

    Anything more than that, is not recommended by me.
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    Yeah, as someone familiar with OSHA standards and the methods by which they are set - simply saying "it meets the standard so it's ok" is incredibly naive.
     
  5. MadMax

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    my thought is you should try to stop..and if you've never started, you shouldn't start. those thoughts are based entirely on watching my grandmother die of lung cancer...a long, slow, suffocation. truly awful.
     
  6. MadMax

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    you're doing it wrong.
     
  7. CrazyDave

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    If all the reports on second hand smoke were true no one would have made it out of the 70's. Our parents all smoked, in the car, with the windows rolled up, up hill, both ways.

    I've seen reports in the past couple of years that actually tried to make a case for third hand smoke being dangerous. Third hand smoke... you know... like on your clothes or in a house or something. Residual. Hurting others.

    In other news, people are crazy.

    If you can't walk near someone who's smoking outside without getting upset about it, my guess is your stress will kill you before the cigarettes kill them or the innocent people unlucky enough to cross their brazen and abominable paths.
     
  8. Duncan McDonuts

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    You didn't realize that people don't want to smell your cigarette or breathe in smoke?

    Wow. Really?
     
  9. Big MAK

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    Agreed.

    People die of lung cancer without being around someone who smokes. I dont think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that it's ever been absolutely proven that 2nd hand smoke causes lung cancer.

    Oh, and don't forget about airplanes... those things were nuts when you could smoke in them (from what I'm told).
     
  10. MadMax

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    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS

    Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. National Toxicology Program, the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer have all classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (a cancer-causing agent) (1, 3, 5, 7).

    Inhaling secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmoking adults (4, 5). Approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths occur each year among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke (2). The U.S. Surgeon General estimates that living with a smoker increases a nonsmoker’s chances of developing lung cancer by 20 to 30 percent (4).

    Some research also suggests that secondhand smoke may increase the risk of breast cancer, nasal sinus cavity cancer, and nasopharyngeal cancer in adults and the risk of leukemia, lymphoma, and brain tumors in children (4). Additional research is needed to learn whether a link exists between secondhand smoke exposure and these cancers.

    Selected References

    1.National Toxicology Program. Report on Carcinogens. Eleventh Edition. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, National Toxicology Program, 2005.


    2.National Cancer Institute. Cancer Progress Report 2003. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, National Institutes of Health, 2004.


    3.International Agency for Research on Cancer. Tobacco Smoke and Involuntary Smoking. Lyon, France: 2002. IARC Monographs on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans, Vol. 83.


    4.U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Coordinating Center for Health Promotion, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health, 2006.


    5.U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. How Tobacco Smoke Causes Disease: The Biology and Behavioral Basis for Smoking-Attributable Disease: A Report of the Surgeon General. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health, 2010.


    6.National Cancer Institute. Health Effects of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke. Bethesda, MD: National Cancer Institute; 1999. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monograph 10.


    7.U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking (Also Known as Exposure to Secondhand Smoke or Environmental Tobacco Smoke—ETS). U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 1992.


    8.California Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment. Proposed Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant: Part B Health Effects, 2005.
     
  11. CrazyDave

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    I'm pretty sure no one has died from walking near someone smoking on the street or smelling their clothes. I admit, I don't have a full page of 'data' to back this up, I'm just going by my observations.
     
  12. Duncan McDonuts

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    Well of course nobody is going to immediately keel over and die if you smoke a cigarette next to them. That doesn't make it any less pleasant.

    Would you want to walk behind someone with extreme flatulence? It won't kill you.
     
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  13. stipendlax

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    It looks cool!
     
  14. Big MAK

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    People with obese children bother me 10x more than smokers.
     
  15. CrazyDave

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    No one is saying people should be drawn to it. Some just feel that it isn't as big a deal as some people make it out to be.

    I've said my piece in this not so hangout thread, but I'll stop by saying this for clarity... I think those that say they "suffer" just being near smokers (extreme conditions excluded), and then quote the statistics that make it appear like anyone who comes into contact with smokers is going to die because of it, are just a little too sensitive, and way too worked up about controlling others lifestyle in order to suit their personal preference.

    The fake cough part from the Hicks quote is spot on, in my opinion.
     
  16. MadMax

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    To be clear here...I'm not trying to degrade smokers...or suggest that if you smoke you're a second-class citizen. That's ridiculous. I'm just suggesting it's a good idea not to smoke. Those are my "thoughts on smoking."
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    How do you reconcile owning leather furniture and being a vegan?
     
  18. sealclubber1016

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    I hate it with a passion.

    Grew up in a household with two smokers, and a whole family of smokers. I smelled like smoke everywhere i went.

    I have trouble believing sitting in a room filled with smoke, and thats not an exaggeration, was good for me. I hated it, but had no choice. Tear inducing amounts of smoke, my room smelled like smoke, my clothes smelled like smoke even though they had been in my closet. And smoking leaves this gross yellow residue on everything.

    What you do to yourself is of little concern, but secondhand smoke makes it my concern. Just because it's legal in certain places doesn't make it OK, if you wanna smoke, you move yourself away from everyone else. If you have kids and smoke in your house thats bad parenting, doesnt make you a bad parent, but you are clearly ignoring your kids best interest in this.

    The actual heath concerns of secondhand smoke are of little concern, its just so damn unpleasant. I avoid any buildings with a smoking section, very few still have them, mostly bars. Nothing redeeming about it.

    I don't like it, in case you missed my point.
     
  19. ima_drummer2k

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    Quit cold turkey on NYE 1999. Haven't had one since after smoking like a chimney for the 10 years prior.

    I'm glad you can't smoke in bars anymore because now my drums don't smell like smoke and neither does my hair or clothes the day after a gig.

    When I did smoke, I was very careful not to annoy the non-smokers. Always smoking outside, turning my head and blowing my smoke straight up in the air and away from people, etc.

    My only problem with smokers are the ones in the workplace that have to take a 15-minute smoke break every hour. No one questions it. That's about 10 hours a week spent outside smoking while the rest of us non-smokers have to cover for your smelly ass.

    I'm not trying to degrade smokers either. Just my coworker.
     
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  20. TexasFight

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    I'm with this. I have to walk in the wake of smokers everyday to work from the train stop to my office building.

    ****ing filthy.

    i'm not worried about the health concerns of it as much as just having to inhale something disgusting... like walking behind a bunch of people ripping nasty ****ing farts in my face. it just stinks and is rude.
     

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