It's the parents and the kids. Kids sneaking off the have sex isn't the school's fault. There is nothing self-righteous about that. The school/teachers are not police or babysitters
school's are expected to have some minimum dicipline standards. if a kid gets his ass kicked in a bathroom the school isn't partly responsible?
To make it worse, they did some research and found out that there were several teachers in the past who were fired for stationing themselves around the bathrooms. The gym teacher, for example would responsibly go into both of the bathrooms and lockerrooms and check on the students to make sure they behaved, often times looking over the shoulder or looking under the stalls, sometimes with a video camera. The fact that these schools are not only failing to station teachers around the bathrooms but also firing those who went out of the way to do so is preposterous. These actions imply that the school is encouraging and promoting screwing in the bathrooms. They should rehire the old gym teacher to monitor conduct in the bathrooms. That'll stop the kids from screwing!
now you're being silly. I know school's are there to teach, but parents aren't in the wrong for expecting the minimal dicipline standards. if not why do we even pay for truancy officers and security guards at these schools. we're talking about kids, citizens who are by law not legally responsible for all their actions. there is a reason for that.
Parents are wrong for expecting the school to do their job. So if your kid beats someone up at school, I guess it's the school's fault... You are exactly the type this thread was started about.
show me where I said it was the school's fault for the kid having sex or the kid getting beat up. I wrote school's are responsible for dicipline while the kid is in their care. that's not exactly a novel idea. I never said the kid and parent isn't. your absoluteness about the school having no responsability is ridiculous.
actually, the law doesn't allow teachers to break up fights in fear of, get this, getting sued by the kid's parents if he/she were to get hurt. that's when the police officers come in.
I have always trusted the teacher, for the most part. Fights are always complicated, because the teacher usually wasn't there when it started. I try to drill down into it. In the past, my son gave me clues when he was going to confront people, so I had something to respond with. Kids cussing or mouthing off is different. I have no reason to doubt the teacher, if my son was disrespecting them. He would get the full hammer on that one. I'm fortunate that my son's issues were not with the teachers, but with students. Parents that do not instill values will subject to confrontation out of desperation. Some take it as a personal attack in that they might not be raising their kids the proper way. The funny thing is that deep down inside most will feel guilt, but might not admit it. I'm willing to guess that the majority of rude parents do confront their kids. I've had a few run-ins with parents, as a parent. Most want to defend their kids. I do, but I also realize that kids will be kids, but certain things are not acceptable.
but schools do have security on campus, right? so am I wrong for expecting them to do their job. I never said it was the "teacher's" responsability, I wrote the school.
the school does bear partial responsibility. i just can't see how it would be feasable to keep an eye on every kid when the ratio of teachers to kids is 30:1. that's where parenting comes in.
that's my only point, the story wasn't that my kid had sex in the bathroom. the story was that kids are having sex in the bathroom all the time. I understand people's frustration with the woman that she seemed to blaming the school. my point was that the school does bear some responsability about what happens on its campus.
if its not your daughter, there's no point in caring obviously. unless you have compassion for humanity or some **** like that. - Socrates.
The school is responible for it's actions, not the actions of others. The school can't discipline if the parents do not support it. Discipline is also after the fact. You are asking for a preventive police state, not discipline.
dicipline is a part of it because another kid's lack of dicipline will disrupt another kid's learning. "police state", that's a little extreme you are legally obliged to send your kid to school, I don't see anything wrong with expecting a little preventive measures and dicipline in return. the simple fact is we are talking about kids. just because a kid acts out doesn't mean he or she had parents that didn't try to dicipline them. that's the other flaw in your argument.
One time my son got a 0 on a test and we emailed the teacher. She said she had not received a test from him and speculated that he did not put his name on his paper. My son ASSURED me that he had put his name on his paper. When my wife went down to talk with the teacher, she produced his paper and guess what? No name. After many apologies and much embarrassment, we have learned that the teacher gets the benefit of the doubt. But he or she would have gotten the benefit of the doubt in a case like the original - I don't take disrespect of authority lightly.
