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Young Christian pastor sentenced to death for apostasy from Islam in Iran

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

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    A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team.

    Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years.

    It is unclear whether Nadarkhani can appeal the execution order.
    “The world needs to stand up and say that a man cannot be put to death because of his faith,” said Jordan Sekulow, executive director of The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ).

    “This one case is not just about one execution. We have been able to expose the system instead of just letting one man disappear, like so many other Christians have in the past.”

    It is also feared that Nadarkhani will be executed in retaliation as Iran endures crippling sanctions and international pressure in response to its nuclear agenda and rogue rhetoric. The number of executions in Iran has increased significantly in the last month.

    “This is defiance,” Sekulow said. “They want to say they will carry out what they say they will do.”

    The order to execute Nadarkhani came only days after lawmakers in Congress supported a resolution sponsored by Pennsylvania Rep. Joseph Pitts denouncing the apostasy charge and calling for his immediate release.
    “Iran has become more isolated because of their drive for nuclear weapons, and the fundamentalist government has stepped up persecution of religious minorities to deflect criticism,” Pitts, a Republican, told FoxNews.com. “The persecuted are their own citizens, whose only crime is practicing their faith.”
    The ACLJ has been a major driving force in keeping Nadarkhani’s case in the international spotlight. Many other advocacy groups and human rights organizations also have mounted global campaigns and petitions against the Iranian government, and experts credit Nadarkhani’s international support for keeping him alive.

    The ACLJ recently launched a Twitter campaign to publicize Nadarkhani’s case, asking participants to dedicate a daily tweet to “Tweet for Youcef,” stating the number of days he has been imprisoned (currently 863) and ending the tweet with “ViaOfficialACLJ,” sending readers back to the organization’s website where they could learn more about his case.
    Tweets have reached 157 countries and over 400,000 people.
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and 89 members of Congress, along with the European Union, France, Great Britain, Mexico and Germany, have condemned Iran for arresting Nadarkhani and have called for his quick release.

    Nadarkhani was arrested in October 2009 and was tried and found guilty of apostasy by a lower court in Gilan, a province in Rasht. He was then given verbal notification of an impending death-by-hanging sentence.
    His lawyers appealed the decision under the premise that Nadarkhani was never a Muslim at the age of majority, and the case was sent to Iran’s Supreme Court, which upheld the lower court’s decision of execution, provided it could be proven that he had been a practicing Muslim from the age of adulthood, 15 in Islamic law, to age 19, which was when he converted.
    The lower court then ruled that Nadarkhani had not practiced Islam during his adult life but still upheld the apostasy charge because he was born into a Muslim family.

    The court then gave Nadarkhani the opportunity to recant, as the law requires a man to be given three chances to recant his beliefs and return to Islam.

    His first option was to convert back to Islam. When he refused, he was asked to declare Muhammad a prophet, and still he declined.
    Iran’s judiciary had delayed in issuing a final verdict, fearing the decision would have far-reaching political implications.
    Sources say Nadarkhani has been advised by family members, lawyers and members of his church to remain silent throughout his ordeal, out of fear that authorities may use his statements against him, a strategy commonly employed by the regime.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/22/iran-court-convicts-christian-pastor-convert-to-death/

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    "Tolerance" in the name of Islam?

    Where is the outrage?
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    Doesn't matter; America had the OJ trial. So clearly religion is not at fault for this miscarriage of justice.

    /BBS LOGIC
     
  3. RedRedemption

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    His first option was to convert back to Islam. When he refused, he was asked to declare Muhammad a prophet, and still he declined.
    Iran’s judiciary had delayed in issuing a final verdict, fearing the decision would have far-reaching political implications.
    Sources say Nadarkhani has been advised by family members, lawyers and members of his church to remain silent throughout his ordeal, out of fear that authorities may use his statements against him, a strategy commonly employed by the regime.


    You've got to be kidding me. Wow, just say yes and get out of there.
     
  4. glynch

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    First two wrongs don't make a right. So even if we accept this story at face value given the extreme bias of its source, this is no way should be an excuse to kill thousands of innocent Iranians needlessly as the "American Center for Law and Justice" would want.

    In a time when all the usual suspects will seize on any possible story to support a war on Iran we should be suspicious of the latest outrage of the day.

    Now about the Center who put this story in the Fox News pipeline for the neo-cons like ATW and the gullible.

    http://aclj.org/ "American Center for Law and Justice is a d/b/a for Christian Advocates Serving Evangelism, Inc., a tax-exempt, not-for-profit, religious corporation as defined under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code

    1)Looking at the first page we see them arguing against the separation of church and state. They argue that the US government should be able to print bibles and distribute them to American troops for their spiritual needs.

    2) They are pushing the anti-contraception/religious freedom angle on the Obama health care current with the GOP.

    3) They are pushing the states rights angle to defend Arizona's attempt to preempt US immigration law as if that is the work of a religious corporation.

    4) from site "With so much of our future tied to what happens in the Middle East, Jay Sekulow knew that establishing an office in Jerusalem was critical.

    When Israel attempted to defend itself during a 2009 conflict in Gaza, the world community expressed outrage. Israel was falsely accused of committing war crimes. Jay Sekulow assembled an international legal team, which included former U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, and presented critical arguments protecting Israel's national security interests before the International Criminal Court at the Hague.

    "Jay Sekulow is a true friend of Israel who has fought with us hand-in-hand in some of Israel’s most strategic, international battles," said Danny Ayalon, Deputy Foreign Minister, State of Israel, who also served as Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. "Jay was instrumentally-involved in projects that the President of Israel and the Prime Minister put on our national agenda."

    http://aclj.org/jay-sekulow
     
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    a saint in the making...
     
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    does this prove that Islam is not a religion?
     
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    extreme example of how religion can be used

    also proof why this guy shouldn't even be considered to be prez

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  8. ChievousFTFace

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    Typical glynch response... it's a lie! Israel did it!

    Regardless of the source, time will soon tell if it's true:

    White House Statement
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/02/23/statement-press-secretary-case-iranian-pastor-youcef-nadarkhani

    Iran isn't exactly well known for treating religious minorities well:

    Death of Haik Hovsepian Mehr
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haik_Hovsepian_Mehr

    Continuing imprisonment of Hamid Pourmand
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Pourmand

    Murder of Ghorban Tourani
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghorban_Tourani

    Stop derailing topics and making it all about Israel... It's getting quite old.
     
  9. HorryForThree

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    For those of us preaching caution against going to war with Iran, its actions really arent helping.

    First their support for Syria (which pretty much dismantled any pretext of 'supra sectarianism' they enjoyed flaunting), then their tendancy to take hostages, and now executing converts.....
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    so what does this have to do with a U.S. citizen?
     
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    I agree... Props for standing behind his principal and beliefs but damn just say yes I convert back. .GTFO and then he can believe whatever he wants to after that.
     
  12. glynch

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    Nice try to characterize my post that way.

    I suppose you are probably down with Israel attacking Iran to the detriment of the US, and many would think, Israel, too.

    Defenders of Israel right or wrong, like you are in so many ways, are what will end the possiblity of the two state solution.
     
  13. ChievousFTFace

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    How about Iran not letting UN Inspectors into certain sites? You seem to have an agenda for blindly defending Iran.

    Perhaps the Iranian President / Supreme Ruler could stop fapping to the idea of other countries being anihilated in a public arena.

    I'm all about restraint and political solutions. If Iran wants to continue to act like a child and piss off the UN, then they will have to suffer the consequences of an act supported by the majority of the planet.

    (do you see how I left Israel out of the discussion?)
     
  14. glynch

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    Look everyone knows that Netanyahu is hot to attack Iran and so it is fooling nobody to try to pretend Israel is a non-factor in the drum beat for war against Iran.


    Why would you choose to believe Netanyahu the Israeli leader over Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and the Joint Chief of Staff of the US military, General Dempsey and the official US intelligence estimate over whether Iran is building nuclear weapons.?
     
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    I'm afraid Iran would be a problem even if there were a separate nation for Palestine. I'm not advocating for war, though. I don't see a two state solution being a solution to anything related to Iran right now.
     
  16. cml750

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    I applaud the Christian pastor for standing up for God. I really admire his strong faith. There is no doubt his name is written in 'The Lambs Book of Life".
     
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    If you give religious people too much power they always turn into giant assholes.
     
  19. BleedRocketsRed

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    EXACTLY

    If you give any person power.....

    That is why I don't associate myself with any particular sect of Islam (or go to any mosque or anything)
     
  20. Raven

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    It's amazing how many media outlets are actively working to build up hatred against Iran. It's sickening. It's immoral. And the war mongers responsible should be charged with treason, because they are deliberately trying to lure America down a self destructive path.
     

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