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You say you want a revolution?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jun 8, 2023.

  1. gifford1967

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    Your OP.

    Obviously you have tiny little baby nuts so you won’t admit your true intention but it’s pretty obvious.
     
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    This expression has gotten pretty tired. You know how much **** a DA would be in if they actually indicted a ham sandwich? The judge would throw it out and admonish the lawyer. The bar would consider if he should be allowed to continue to practice law. Consequences of malpractice can be severe.

    I don't think it is so valid. Republicans may attempt to weaponize the DOJ, but that aren't too likely to succeed. Fighting a false accusation might be troublesome for a politician, but actually losing in court to a false accusation is a longshot. Meanwhile, the judges and lawyers involved in the affair probably don't want to take the career hits of participating.
     
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    It would be far more dangerous to let Trump get away with this stuff.

    There has to be accountability, even if the GOP and conservatives go kicking and screaming about it. They are to blame for putting the country in this situation in the first place. They enabled him to do whatever he wanted without check.
     
  7. basso

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    Trump is under no obligation to cooperate.
     
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    good; so turnabout shall be FairPlay.
     
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    When the GOP actually can find something legitimate on a Democratic president. This biden bribe junk is desperation at its worst.
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    do you have inside information you can share with the rest of us? that would be great
     
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    I think they (Trump, DeSantis, and those like them) will absolutely attempt to weaponize the DoJ. Remember that they want to fire anyone in the executive branch at will and replace them with yes men. But I agree with your point that it isn't likely to succeed because of the process involved. They would still have to somehow overturn a 30-year+ Supreme Court ruling to fire anyone at will and replace them with yes men, get a grand jury to agree to indict, face a mostly independent judiciary (for now), and persuade a juror to convict. It is much more politically convenient and effective to weaponize Congressional committees, as the GOP has already done.

    So, overall, I agree with you and changed my mind. That point isn't so valid either.
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-indictment-sets-historical-marker-defb8108

    Donald Trump Indictments Set Historical Marker
    While other U.S. presidents have had brushes with the law, none was ever charged
    By Jacob Gershman
    Updated June 9, 2023 at 10:18 am ET

    The Justice Department’s case against former President Donald Trump has escalated an extraordinary moment for America, marking the first time a former U.S. president has been charged with federal crimes, months after Trump was indicted on state charges in Manhattan.

    Other presidents have been impeached or left office in disgrace under the shadow of scandal or criminal suspicion. But none of the other men who previously occupied the nation’s highest office ever found themselves in the legal jeopardy that now imperils Trump.

    “An indictment of Trump is unprecedented in the annals of presidential history,” said Jeffrey Engel, director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University.

    A few U.S. presidents had brushes with criminal law while in office or during their postpresidential years.

    President Richard Nixon was named by a grand jury in 1974 as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Watergate scandal but never charged with a crime. His resignation avoided impeachment but didn’t rule out an indictment. Watergate prosecutors had reservations about making a criminal case, concerned about whether the ex-president could receive a fair trial and that bringing an obstruction case could aggravate national political divisions. The question, though, was made moot by President Gerald Ford’s pardon of Nixon.

    President Bill Clinton in 1998 was impeached by the House of Representatives for perjury and obstruction of justice related to his attempted coverup of his relationship with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. The Senate voted against conviction, but the threat of criminal charges persisted until the final hours of Clinton’s presidency, when he struck a deal with independent counsel Robert Ray. The prosecutor agreed not to pursue a grand jury indictment after Clinton admitted to giving false testimony under oath, surrendered his law license for five years and accepted a $25,000 fine.

    Ulysses Grant, the nation’s 18th president, was arrested for speeding around the capital in his buggy in 1872, while he was in office, but he paid a fine and skipped court, Engel said.

    When compared with practices in other countries, Trump’s prosecution is less unusual, even among liberal democracies. In the last decade alone, sitting or former heads of state in France, Italy, Israel, Brazil and South Korea have been charged with crimes including illegal campaign financing, bribery and tax fraud.

    Before Trump’s indictments, U.S. prosecutions of political leaders never reached higher than U.S. vice presidents. Aaron Burr, vice president from 1801 to 1805, fled arrest warrants issued by New York and New Jersey after he killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He was later arrested in Alabama in 1807, tried for treason in Virginia—accused of scheming to detach Western states from the union to establish his own empire in Spanish territories—and ultimately acquitted.

    Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned in 1973 after pleading no contest to a felony tax-evasion charge stemming from a broader investigation into alleged kickbacks he received during his time in Maryland politics, which included a stint as Maryland’s governor.

    Trump, whom national polls show to be a front-runner for the Republican Party’s 2024 presidential nomination, left the White House with continued political ambitions and a host of legal concerns. Having weathered two impeachments as president, he also faces a special counsel probe of his efforts to stay in office after losing the 2020 election. Trump’s lawyers are also trying to head off an election-interference criminal investigation in Georgia. In each investigation, Trump has said he did nothing criminal.

    His potential 2024 adversary, President Biden, meanwhile, is also dealing with a special counsel probe examining his handling of classified documents. Republican lawmakers in the House are probing whether his son Hunter Biden’s various business arrangements with wealthy foreigners involved his father—an investigation that House GOP leaders say has uncovered evidence of the president himself engaging in a bribery scheme with a foreign national during his vice presidency. The White House has characterized the probe as a political stunt, and the president has dismissed the accusations as a “bunch of malarkey.”

    Appeared in the April 1, 2023, print edition as 'Some Presidents in the Past Skated Close to Legal Peril'.

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    Lol, that's why he was indicted by a grand jury. If he had cooperated and returned what wasn't his, there wouldn't have been any indictment. The man shoots himself in the foot all the time, then gets people like basso to blame others for his own stupidity and criminal activities.
     
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    this is precisely correct
     
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    trump had been doing so the entire time...

     
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    Right? Holy ****, do you think the Republicans are gonna do EXACTLY what they did in spades from 2016-2020?? Pretending the current GOP will take the high road is a joke. Some of the guys that get called RINOs would take the high road, but not these guys.
     
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    Mike Trout looks like ****
     
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    This is a sitting congressman... "1/50K" refers to military maps. "know your bridges" refers to taking bridges as both offensive and defensive assaults. The sort of call to violence that triggered January 6.

     
  19. Nook

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    Between hob knobbing and ****ing underaged sex workers, I am surprised he had time to write an opinion piece on this topic.

    Good for him, I guess with his buddy dead, he has more time on his hands.
     
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    This is absolutely absurd...he needs to be held accountable for that kind of crap.
     
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