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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Gascon, May 25, 2001.

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  1. Gascon

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    It seems to me that at some point in the last couple of years, the practice of driving to the basket with the sole purpose of drawing the foul became an actual NBA play.

    When did this happen and why is it so tolerated, and in my opinion, encouraged by the league? I get so sick of seeing guys like Iverson and Carter (Cassell is very guilty of it, as well) drive to the basket with the obvious intention of drawing the foul. They have no intention whatsoever of creating a good look at the basket, and heaven forbid they actually pass the ball off to someone who has just been left open by their penetration......no, they seem intent on getting to the line.

    Is it just about numbers?

    I understand that there are certain players who you want to be in foul trouble...certainly if they already are in foul trouble, drive at them.

    But these guys don't seem to be singling anyone out....they just want to shoot some free throws, maybe pad their stats a little. You cannot convince me that it is better to get to the line than to kick the ball out to someone who is wide open.

    What happened to ball movement?

    The Bucks, maybe the best example of ball movement, show the same mentality at times as well. I've seen Ray Allen try to take on three or four defenders, blow the layup, and complain to the refs that there was no whistle. Meanwhile, at least three of his teammates are thinking that they were wide open. They don't wonder why he didn't pass it, mind you. No, this attitude seems to be largely tolerated.

    I have to think the blame lies with the damned Jazz. Stockton and Malone figured out the same cheap way to play long ago and teams are only just now really catching on.

    Man, forget the zone if you want. I'd be happier if they'd just stop rewarding these jerks for their one on four mentality and maybe make them think twice about taking the ball all by themselves into a no-win situation.

    But that's just it, isn't it? It's not a no-win situation because the refs keep rewarding them for it.

    Maybe it works! I don't know. Maybe that's the way to be successful in the NBA.

    I can tell you one thing, though. It's sure as hell no fun to watch.

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    I've been thinking the exact same thing. There should be a rule preventing fouls from being called if the play was an obvious attempt to "draw" the foul. I hate seeing players driving to the hoop, drawing the whistle, and hurling the ball into the air. That is not an act of shooting.


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    There is a specific kind of foul that the refs have started calling which is pissing me off, which is a weak as hell body foul when the offensive player goes to the hole. The play I am talking about is just like the one where Tracy McGrady got the layup and foul at the end of the game against the Bucks in the game 3 win by orlando.

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    Noboby is better at going to the basket with no intention of scoring and just wanting to draw a foul than....JERRY STACKHOUSE!

    25 shots a game making only 9! Pathetic.

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    I think trying to draw a foul is good because for some players, especially Iverson, getting to the line and knocking down two helps them get in rhythm.

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    You want to know what I'm sick of?......

    The Freaking Lakers. I almost hate them as much as I despised the Bulls a few years back.

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    I think that a few of the observations made on this topic are reasonable, but a few of them don't make sense to me. First of all..

    "You cannot convince me that it is better to get to the line than to kick the ball out to someone who is wide open."

    Well, if you are a good free throw shooter, obviously it's better to make 85% of your foul shots than pass it off to a guy who has usually a 60-70 % chance of making an open jump shot, depending on who the shooter is, or getting fouled while you pass the ball off, and then having to inbound it again. I watch the Dallas Mavericks and I am convinced that there is NO better point guard in the league at driving and finding the open man than Steve Nash. However, not all point guards or players in general have the talent to always do this. The vast majority of players drive with the intent of either getting a good look or drawing enough defensive players to find an open man, but more often than not the players ARE getting fouled so that they will not hit an easy layup or 5 foot hook shot.

    I would also like to address this:

    "There should be a rule preventing fouls from being called if the play was an obvious attempt to "draw" the foul."

    First of all, it is way too hard for a referee to judge whether not a player was looking for an 'obvious' foul. Even if they were fouled, then jacked up a random shot because they were fouled so blatantly that they could not get off a good shot, should the offensive player *really* be punished more so than the defender? It doesn't seem logical to me. Guys are getting better than ever at taking people off the dribble (i.e. Steve Francis), and they shouldn't be punished for it.

    What I agree with however, is the fact that way too many B.S. weak body contact fouls are being called, when an offensive player creates a majority of the body contact then is rewarded with free throws, it should either be an offensive foul or a no-call in my opinion. There are too few no-calls in the league, that's an issue that should be addressed more thoroughly.
     
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    The only thing is that sometimes going to the foul line may make for more exciting games.

    It sounds odd, but if your team is behind in the 4th quarter, with time running down, and you go to the foul line, time is stopped. You can score points with out running down the clock, thus making for more exciting games.

    I agree there are a lot of weak calls being made, and I do get frusttrated when I see players just try and draw the foul, but I do see how it can be an effective tactic in making a comeback.

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    Personally I don't care. I like to see a game where the players can play w/o the refs becoming too involved. Physical play is good.

    But our own Cuttino Mobley is one of those players who drives a lot with the intention of getting fouled.

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  10. Gascon

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    I don't think refs should call the foul if the player is blatantly trying to draw the foul, ala Sam Cassell practically every time down the court. Sam is so bad about (or good about, depending on how you look at it) faking the shot and, while the defender is in the air, leaning forward at an almost 45 degree angle and lowering his shoulder into the now helpless defender thereby drawing the shooting foul after a half-hearted attempt at throwing the ball somewhere in the same vicinity as the goal. That's not playing basketball, that's playing the officials...and yes it's a part of the game....and no, it shouldn't be.

    The defender in that situation is guilty of nothing more than obeying the law of gravity.

    It's cheap, bull$hit basketball and I, for one, blame the Jazz. [​IMG]

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    #10 Gascon, Jun 2, 2001
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