You knew this thread was coming after this game...

"I really feel a lot of guys are not comfortable playing in this arena," McGrady said.

"I hear guys saying things about how they're not comfortable playing in the arena, how it's not a good shooting arena for whatever reason.

"I feel the same way. I really feel the same way. It's not just our guys. It's guys around the league. They hate our arena. Who was the last player to score 40 in our arena?"

---so to this i say why do we really need tmac..i know he bought the seats and all but seriously why cant he just come out and say "trade me"....plays good or not i dont want someone with a bad attitude playing for a team that has a potential to become a steady team like the spurs with great defense and can still get those points....i didnt post it but i really appreciate the way luther head agreed but at the same time he said" nothing is going to change and we need to learn how to shoot better" i want that attitude on our team not some punk who doesnt think the arena is good enough for him...he wants to know when a last player got to 40 well hey dude last time i checked when the rowdies came in the home record definitely went up and we give the other teams total complete crap so they DONT get to 40...isnt that the point? does he want other teams to beat us?

 

yeah, let's see how many people have lost faith in him and want to trade him like you said.

 

lol...word up...............what rowdie is this?

 

u might want to put a poll options that actually answer the question of the thread next time.........

 

hmmmm, i doubt you can have faith in the guy and say he makes us a worse team, or say you don't have faith in him and say he makes us a better team.

 

Do you even watch games? Most of T-Mac's assist come from passing to "cutting and moving players". For example, 98% of Chuck Hayes' points came from passes from TMac as he was cutting to the goal. He also gets Yao a lot off points off the pick and roll. If you get open, he will find you. I believe that has been proven. If you stopped being so biased against T-Mac and supported all of are players, maybe you would have noticed.

 

i don't have faith that he will ever do anything "leading" a team........that is why we would be better off trading him for talent..............

 

while he does reward cutting players, the other poster had a point to an extent....our offense becomes really stagnant when he's in the lineup for some strange reason..........

 

lots of opinions and name callings, i see. but where are your arguments and reasoning?

and "chinese looking usernames"? i don't know what you're talking about. but what's wrong with "chinese looking usernames"?

 

after one game stop jumping on him so hard you might end up pregnant. rafer is not b diddy and rafer is the worst starting PG in the league by far all this shows you is that we need a PG guard who can give us good numbers every night not a star just good numbers.

 

I don't agree that we should trade TMac unless we get Kobe in return. I believed Adelman will define Tmac game and role so that he will contribute
huge in games especially playoffs.

After watching the games in these season, I keep thinking and can't help feeling that Adelman is a thinker and his thinking like a chess player. He is not a rigid, persistent, stubborn and knows only a few ways to win a game i.e. defense and pass the ball to Yao or TMac handling to passing. Adelman is more deeper. He is deep in fact, he has tried out different players even in the 4th, he play different game plan against different team and he even play different starters against different team. I can't think of any coach play different starters against different team.

I was absolutely shocked when he bench .. well not bench .. remove Hayes from the active roster against GSW. Does anyone knew earlier Hayes will not be in the game at all? I don't think so. SO COACH WHAT'S YOUR NEXT MOVE
.. opponents will be worried. Opposition coach has no problem with JVG,
they all know his move. Darn, we all know his move also.

 

did you see the poll on the page for tmac? the highest percentage of votes are for getting rid of him...he's good when he wants to be...the tmac that i respected but doesnt really exist is the one i saw when the rockets beat the spurs out by 2 a few games ago...that is the tmac i want on our team not one that makes everyone happy with his points but has a bad attitude but yeah that poll has already been made and the proof is there...trade him..

 

Originally Posted by Sweet Lou 4 2
if you can't see why t-mac is a triple threat player - then i think that's fairly unreasonable.

honestly, i see most of the t-mac detractors have chinese looking usernames and i'd say you and many of the others are anti-T-mac because it's less shots and glory for Yao, and that's more important than the Rockets winning.

For me, it's the Rockets winning. But to each their own.


just because people dont seem to like tmac too much doesnt mean that we are yao lovers only...i love that whole team..when everyone dropped scola at the beginning of the year i kept him and look at him, aaron brooks everyone was pissed at the viewing party but hey lets see what happens, carl landry, luther head, dude i love that whole team and whats with the chinese looking character comment for? seriously is that the best you can do? yao has proven himself to be a leader and he takes falls and comes back...have you ever seen tmac really take a fall and stay in the game? no, i have seen bonzi, landry, scola, yao, shane, take some bad falls and they get back up. i have even seen mutombo the oldest man in the league hustle and take some falls and even he gets up..i dont know what tmac you are watching but you definitely arent watching the guy thats wearing the #1 jersey and doesnt play with heart.

 

Why not just trust Morey? He said TRADING TMAC was a BAD IDEA. Obviously, he has made the right moves so far. If he thinks keeping T-Mac and Yao together is better than splitting them up, then thats what we should do. Morey knows more than all of us combined, that is why he is the GM and we are typing on our computers.

Just look at the Sixers and Wolves and who they got for their superstar player. You can make a argument that both are better than T-Mac. So why do people expect we would even get equal value for T-Mac, who is also injury prone? Neither the Sixers or Wolves got equal value. If we trade him we'll probably end up with some expiring contracts at best.

 

if we just trust our gm, then this board will be much less fun.

and you never get equal value in return when trading away a superstar. you always get a discount. but this should not, and does not, prevent a trade like that from happening.

a difference b/w our team and the sixers' and the wolves' is, we have 2 superstars. so that analogy is invalid to a degree. that's why lakers come back after letting shaq go. by trading away mcgrady, we're not really rebuilding.

now, with all these being said, i am not in the camp of trading mcgrady. at least not now. i've said this weeks ago in another thread, so i'm not repeating why.

 

the sixers and the wolves didn't have Yao Ming and pretty good supporting cast either........that's a bad comparison..............if we could talent in return I'd be all for it.....

 

Lakers were pretty bad after they traded Shaq. So bad that Kobe requested a trade at least 3-5 times in a span of 2 months. It took them a while to get good. And this is Kobe we are talking about, probably the best in the NBA. I don't want the Rockets to go through that semi-rebuilding stage like the Lakers did. I love Yao but he is no Kobe. Even now, the Lakers are not a LOCK for the playoffs, with or without Bynum.

 

tmac is no shaq for various reasons....these comparisons are bad, because different teams have different situations.............look at what we are dealing with and what kind of team we could be if we could get some talent in return of McLazy.

 

Actually, you're completely and utterly wrong.

Most of Tmac's passes either go to a perimeter jump shooter or Chuck Hayes when he's hanging out in the paint (and has nobody guarding him because they're doubling Yao). And he gets maybe 2 points a game off the pick and roll - most of the time, the defenders double him, he dribbles to the sideline to get out of the double team and then waits for his main defender to reset.

Again, Tmac dominates the ball to such an extent that it forces the other Rocket players to be more passive/less mobile. It also allows the opposing defense to get set, which makes scoring more difficult. One of the best things about this team during his absence is that we're getting more buckets in transition BEFORE the defense can get set. It's not exactly fast-break basketball, but these buckets are way easier than the grind-out half-court

And before somebody says "Doesn't Yao force us to be half-court," the answer is "of course" - he's a dominant post player. Yao is most effective in the half court, but that doesn't mean every one else should be slowing things down. Yao is not going to score every time down the floor, so it is absolutely crucial that the guards look for transition baskets as much as possible in order to ensure a balanced offense. But McGrady doesn't do this at all - he walks up the court (whether the ball is in his hands or not) 99% of the time.

I'm biased against T-mac because of his play, not because I have some irrational dislike for him. People keep calling him a triple threat, but at this point in his career, he's nothing more than a very talented half-court passer who occasionally drives to the hoop and rarely hits a long jumper. For the money we're paying him, we can get someone who will play harder and better fit in with the team concept that is developing. Somebody asked who'd you want to have the ball at the end of the game - Yao or Tmac. Let me respond with a question - which set of players would you rather have at the end of the game - the current Rockets or the 2004 Pistons? If we trade Tmac for the right kind of lower-tier stars, I think we could have the kind of balance and heart that the Pistons had.

 

People think we can just make a trade and it will automatically work out. It doesn't work like that (like when the Rockets traded for CB34). Remember that we are almost halfway through the season, chemistry is a big factor. That goes out the door when we trade T-Mac. Then what? Another couple months to "gel".....again? We'd be out of the playoffs by then.

I agree that all that matters is what talent we get in return. But what talent do you really expect to get from a injury prone T-Mac with questionable motivation? You also have to factor in that we have 15 players on the team. That means no 1 for 3 deals. It's either straight up or trading an equal amount of players. That right there cuts out a lot of teams that can offer us better than worst deals.

And out of respect for T-Mac, the Rockets won't trade him to a bad team. In fact, I'm almost positive teams looking to rebuild would not want T-Mac considering his history with losing teams. That cuts another crop of teams we could possibly deal with.