You knew this thread was coming after this game...

So, wouldn't the Rockets be better off with a player that will do that like a JKIdd. I don't think T-Mac will change his ways. He has had enough time to sit and see what can work but decides to go back to his old ways of being the focal point of running the offense. He demands the ball the plays run through him, instead of having ball movement that helps everyone get into the offense.

 

If we rely on him moving without the ball, then we resort to a jumpshooting team instead of utilizing Tracy's triple threat (which no one else really has). it's definitely a tough trade off. As I've always said, it's about finding that mix. Switching modes during the course of a game depending on what the D is going to give you.

Take a good long hard look at the majority of our games. This is still the same offense that is all about finding a way to get Yao the ball. Initial entry pass...not there? Swing it around or pass to a popping PF who can find a passing lane to Yao or kick it back out. Remember how many times they ended having to force shots or force passes down the stretch.

So I argue, this team only seems to move the ball better when the D isn't locking them down. To me, it seemed that GS was on cruise control most of the game, and decided to do the obvious. Double Yao before the pass on the defensive end. And make Harrington shoot 3s on the offensive end off a pick and pop.

We lucked out last night. GS has many good looks that clanked off earlier in the game. Many missed layups or possible foul calls on MANY MANY drives by Monta. AND STILL, they came back from 21 (or something like that) as if it was cake. We were lucky to be able to pull it out. It is definitely the exception rather than the rule that we won last night. I can only hope it's the beginning of a trend of the team at least winning games they let get away from them. I'd rather them close the game out completely with no "scares."

 

Amen !

 

lol.. rafer is what CP3 was in middle school

 

You speak as if we didn't win every game since he's been back minus the Utah game. I'm not a TOF, he's got his faults. if you are suggesting a JKidd for Tmac trade, I sure hope you have a good idea for who will be taking tracy's place. Do we not have enough PGs?

Are you suggesting McGrady + what PG(s) for JKidd + ?

Tracy's been playing for 10 years. Kidd for 13. Talk about putting your eggs all in one basket. We move from win now, to win RIGHT now, or rebuild.

Take a good look at JKidd's numbers this year and career. Plug him into this offense. You know he pretty much shoots like Rafer right? He can rebound much better than Rafer. 2.8 vs. 2.4 Assist:TO ratio. Am I saying Rafer is equal to Kidd...haha, no. But you really dont' gain much when you talk about moving McGrady for Kidd. You can't do it straight up b/c you have too many PGs, lose a SG/SF. But hey, if you think it'll work, that's your opinion. Mine is that it won't.

 

Tmac, Mike James, Rafer, and 1st Rounder 2009 for

Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson

 

It's the same way in the gym saturday morning. One guy picks all of the shooters and guys that can cross cover and the other guy picks a combination of players who all play D. The combo teams kills the shooters everytime because they share the rock and play D every possession. This is fundamental in playoff games.

I don't like Tmac's lack of hustle on the defensive end, his gray matter has checked in that we don't need him to score 30 and dish out 10 assist to win. We need him to rotate out on open shooters and stop letting his man get offensive rebounds.

 

If yao didn't score 30 and play big grabbing like 19 rebounds then we would have lost.The reason we won this game is because yao was able to play like the best center in the nba.

 

This team does not need tmac, but need another all-star level guard can play within the system.

 

We got one in TMac man. He plays within the system and does what he does as well. You need that mix. He's looking to pass, it's very obvious. He only looks or his shot when he feels the team needs him to. He draws so much attention he provides looks for the person he's passing to, or the person that person passes to.

Why trade to get the same thing? The playing within the system argument is weak. His shot attempts are down from the "me-mac" years in Orlando. He really is looking to pass of the drive first. If Yao plays like he did last night, with Tracy in the game we win a lot of games. Simple as that.

 

anyone with eyes can see how much better the team moves the ball without "her" in the lineup.....don't worry rockets fans we'll get our wish this offseason whe she packs up her purse and heads towards the exit....I love Scola and Landry, Brooks looks good also.............who knows what our team will look like next year with Bonzi possibly gone, and some new pieces around Yao?.........


Tracy McLazy left his team in a critical time last night....in what was somewhat equivalent to a playoff game he set out, because of the flu............................

 

You lose a lot of credibility when you throw insults around in your discussion. And to call last night a playoff situation is ridiculous. Should I say the same about Yao missing Utah's game? Pfth...

 

I can't figure you out. It's time to ***** or get off the pot: do you or do you not want to trade T-Mac?

If we don't make it past the first round (or even into it), we are stuck with T-Mac like we were stuck with Sura. I think that we can get something out of a T-Mac trade because he puts butts in bleachers even if he only plays 50-60 games a season. Let's pull the trigger, and not pay 20+ million for a guy to come off the bench and be a sparkplug.

 

and you lose a lot of credibility for sticking up for her highness.....Yao doesn't have the record of "quitting" on his team like Tmac does, so he gets a tad bit more slack from me......and yes you can say last night was equivalent to a playoff game seeing as we were playing a team right ahead of us in the standings..............last nights game was very important.

 

It's really hard for you to put together a sentence without some sort of hating huh? Also hard without the multiple periods?

Sure, the game was important, but all these games are equally important. Doesn't matter if they are ahead of us in standings or not. We gain an extra half game if we win. Yes, that's a good deal. If we don't go to win every game it doesn't matter where the other teams stand in comparison to us. If you want to weigh the games recently more important than games we play against scrub teams later on when it's just as crucial to win to make the playoffs, then Yao should be held accountable for not showing up against Utah. We needed a win there badly. You can't complain about someone else and not be fair across the board, regardless of reputation.

I don't blame these guys for getting hurt or getting sick. That's just stupid. Heck, the hospitals are gettin hit hard with sick people. If your kid gets sick or hurt, do you just break em down and say, you're a p***y? You take the good with the bad, but apparently, you see zero good in people. Glad to have you as a rowdie though"........" I always thought rowdies were Rockets fans no matter what. Back up your players no matter what. Guess not....
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Tmac does not play in the system - at all. Period. End of discussion.

Have you ever seen Tmac swing the ball quickly to another player after receiving a pass? Nope, never.

Do you ever see Tmac run up the court quicky after getting a rebound? Nope, never.

How often does Tmac throw up quick jumpers in transition? All the damn time.

The problem is that Tmac DOMINATES the ball - it's in his hand way too much. You can blame the other players for being passive, but they're simply trying to adapt to his style of play. As another poster mentioned, Tmac doesn't reward moving and cutting players - he rewards players who are standing still.

Have you ever watched the traveshamockery Tmac makes of a pick and roll? It reminds me of the Francis years - the defenders know he's going to hold on to the ball so they just double him. Tmac has to regroup and then start the play all over again. Wasted time - wasted play.

If Tmac would just stop holding on to the ball so long, I would agree that he might work in this offense (despite the fact that he no longer drives to the hoop and has turned into an Antoine Walker-type chucker).

But he's not going to do that - he's not capable of changing his habits at this point in his career - and for $20 million, we can find other players who fit so much better.

 

Because Golden State's defense is a great guage to check the progress of our offense, right?

No... You really wouldn't. Ray Allen is garbage in comparison to Mac. Anything that frustrates you about McGrady will frustrate you 10X worse with Allen. The ONLY thing Allen is better at is spot-up jumpshooting.

 

Wrong, they had four players in double fugures,Three with almost 20 points or more.Rafer 18 points 12 assists,Luther head 20 points,6 assists. Total ball moving team effort.

 

Fine but a team player that can shoot and play off the ball is exactly what they should be looking for IF they decide to trade Tmac.

DD

 

No luck about the game at all.We closed out on those shooters and pushed them off of that three point line,they came back but we kept the lead within 10-12 points,we closed out the game like we were supposed to do at the end



You can't make those weak excuses about missed lay ups and missed calls for ellis because they missed many calls on Yao ming.What about that stupid block call on Yao when he clearly beat harrington to his spot. Don't make weak excuses for your warriors,they just lost and where hammered in the paint and that run and gun no post player style won't win in the playoffs.



We can't get excuses and passes so I defintely don't want to hear any about why golden state lost.