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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by MadMax, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. Plowman

    Plowman Member

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    Good move.I like the fact he can give us plenty of quality innings out of the pen with spot starts.I DON'T want us counting on him as a regular starter....love the flexibility though.

    Now,let's go get a legitimate #2 starter
     
  2. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    A 3.44 ERA is very much above-average.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Just ask Jason Jennings.
     
  4. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Please point out which year Jason Jennings had a 3.44 ERA. Thanks.
     
  5. MadMax

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    inside.
     
  6. emjohn

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    Not what he was saying.
    "To Jason Jennings, who had an ERA of 6.45 last year, an ERA of 3.44 would be an attractive number to put up."

    Take a second before you post.
     
  7. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    3.78 ERA in Colorado is just as impressive as Shawn Chacon's 3.44 split between Colorado and New York. JJ did it in 60 more innings though. Granted JJ's 2007 was as bad as 2006 was good to him.
     
  8. superden

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    when is this going down?
     
  9. MadMax

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    Don't know for sure. But I would assume very soon if he wants to report with pitchers to spring training. I'm guessing by the end of the week, but I don't know that for sure.
     
  10. Rocketman95

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    You never know with DaDakota. :D

    I took it to mean that 3.44 doesn't mean anything since Jason Jennings sucked last year and Chacon would suck this year.

    But I'll take your advice and take a second before I post. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Roxfan73

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    Excellent!
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Uh, I was agreeing with you that 3.44 was a good ERA, by pointing out that last year's major trade/signing...SUCKED, and basically had never sniffed that low of an ERA.

    You are just overly sensitive to my posts, we need to get together and down a beer and have a hug......hmmmmmm, maybe not the hug, but beer and wings would be good.

    DD
     
  13. Rocketman95

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    You know you want that hug. :)
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    LOL - Who told? I need to hire Rusty Hardin to refute my hugging fetish !!

    DD
     
  15. Ottomaton

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    Statistically for his career he is significantly better as a starter than a reliever. That is kind of rare for guys who aren't locked in as starters.

    I am not very familiar with him, but on the surface this looks like it could be a very good move. For me, this seems preferable to Colon and his 85 MPH fastball, atm.

    Scoutting report from Stats Inc. via Fox Sports:

    [rquoter]
    Pitching
    Chacon is a competitor, which was a reason the Rockies tried him in relief. However, he has to channel that competitiveness and not try to overthrow, particularly his curveball. The hard curve, his big pitch, isn't bothered by the Colorado altitude, but he needs to be ahead in the count so that hitters can't lay off it. As a starting pitcher, Chacon has shown a fastball that is consistent from 92-94 MPH, but as a reliever he'd have games he wouldn't hit 90 MPH. He has a solid changeup, but the pitch was missing in action when he was in relief and he was reluctant to use his full assortment. He also has a cutter which he now uses instead of a slider against lefthanded hitters.

    Defense & Hitting
    A football quarterback and basketball player in high school, Chacon moves around the mound well and can field his position. He has an exceptional pickoff move that is a boost for catchers because it makes baserunners more cautious. He was a horrible hitter as a rookie but worked hard to become an offensive contributor.

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  16. Joe Joe

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    How close to 3.44 does JJ have to get to have sniffed 3.44? 3.78 isn't bad and is pretty close to 3.44 especially considering ballparks. I had much higher expectations from JJ last year than I do in Chacon this year due to JJ hadn't had a truly bad year till 2007. However, acquiring Chacon is a much better deal because the Astros give up nothing for him outside of a small opportunity cost for his salary.
     
  17. rrj_gamz

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    Splash! oh wait...

    Sometimes it seems we're doing deals just to do deals...Will he be serviceable? probably, but c'mon...
     
  18. MadMax

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    This would be great criticism if there were other great choices out there...but there's not.
     
  19. rikesh316

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    Good signing. Could start or pitch in the pen.
     
  20. texanskan

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    agree, like I said before very low risk and possible high reward. Don't understand how people can b**** when after Roy you have Backe who has not been able to stay healthy, Woody who is wahed up, Sampson and Wandy who are up and down.
     

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