Lets just take a look Well thats not really a fact, since Shane makes 7.3 million. 6.3 million, but I appreciate the rounding up with Shane and down with Trevor. He also shores up the SG position since we have an injury prone starter. He is also shooting at 10% higher clip than Ariza with similar defense at 1/4 the cost. Insert a healthy CP3 and remove a nobody in Peja from the Hornets and yes, they were bound to be better. Crediting thier success to Ariza is laughable. You have no idea what they are asking him to do. Also maybe you should read your own sig.
an okay defender? thats where you clearly have just hater glasses on...once again I never said Ariza is THE reason why the Hornets are 5-0...he is one of the starters that is playing well for them and has made a contribution to that record which most people here are discounting because of Paul and West (who like any all-stars players would...be the leaders of that team) once again Ariza averaged 14 for the season not 15 and as my point said he was more under control once Martin got there and yes he was Ariza averaged only 11 shots a game once martin was there and shot a respectable 46% on those 11 shots during that period. (look it up I got these numbers from basketball-reference in the 17 games Martin and Ariza played in together last season those were his shooting averages) once again you are basis this 15 shots a game from where? not actual stats since he never averaged 15 shots a game last season...and again he was doing what the coaching staff kept asking him to do in the beginning of the season...how many times did Adelman and Morey keep saying to the media that they're the ones telling Ariza to keep shooting and keep pushing himself...if you want to blame people dont just blame Ariza blame the coaching staff and Morey too once again I feel that way too many people just looking at offensive stats as an indicator of a player to doing without seeing everything..basketball isn't only played on one end of the court if that was the case then this Rockets team this year could easily go 82-0 I'm sorry symantecs here Ariza is on a team that is 5-0 the team that Ariza was suddenly traded from is now the only winless team in the NBA...happy?
Let me guess Rudy Gay for Shane was also a great trade? It's okay you can admit, if Ariza was in place of Shane, we might have won 1-2 games vs no wins.
You know who else was killing it with chris paul? Tyson Chandler, but look at hime now. Its not Ariza, its Chris Paul. I wish we could do something to trade for him. He is the best pg in the NBA.
I guess you missed the countless gambles on steals where he gave open layups and dunks by being overly aggressive. Yes, in my book, that is an "okay" defender. If it makes me a hater for hating people that play dumb basketball, then yes, I am a hater. Its the same **** Scola is doing this year and it is so f'ing frustrating because people get hung up on his offensive stats not realizing he is a MAJOR part of the problem right now. So if he averaged 14 shots for the season but the final 17 games he only shot 11, what do you think he was averaging before that....15. BTW Fourth options don't take 11 shots a game. And I don't even believe in this label of options anyway...basketball is not that simple. Okay 14 shots...but see above. Truth be told, I really don't care what defenders offensive stats are. I don't care what Battier % is, I don't care what Hayes % is, I don't care what Deke's % is, because they rarely shoot. What I do care about is when you try to be something you arent and it hurts the team. If you are a defender, be a defender. No, I am not happy. I am not happy every day when I log into this board I see people come to r****ded conclusions because they are incapable of thinking critically. I hate that everyone has to have a scapegoat because they can't stay objective. I hate that people go on witch hunts because they are fans of players instead of the team. I hate that my team hasn't won a game and my peers are bashing all the players/coaches/gms that I love. No, no, I am not happy. But that won't stop me standing up for our guys, because I believe in this team, I belive in our GM's vision, I belive in our coaches, and I believe in our players. If you don't...fine...thats your choice.
im not questioning his defense or that's he's doing well, he's doing what is expected/needed....im just saying that the OP said he was killing it on both ends and he's not exactly doing that offensively, then a bunch of people pointed that out, only to have several others defend(at least thats what it seemed like they were doing) him by pointing out he just hit a big shot, as if that was proof that he'd been killing it offensively, and it's not, because it was one shot, in one game, out of 5 so far. It's like me saying "chuck can't dunk, it'll never happen" and then he dunks and everyone points it out...that's definitely enough to make me take back what i said, but in this case one big shot doesnt change the fact that Ariza is not "killing it" offensively.
the rockets miss his defense, but thats because the rockets have no defense. If the rockets would be 4-0, with the same defense (letting score more than 105 pts per game) then nobody would say the rockets miss ariza. if battier were playing good defense, then nobody would miss ariza.
Chris Paul could make Battier look good, that's how great CP3 is. Am not suprised Ariza's doing good with the Hornets
I'm happy with the trade. So Lee it is for me. I'm sure the people screaming for Ariza were the same ones ready to ship him out last year.
Wasnt all this expected when he moved to the Hornets? Please remember that is playing with the best PG in the league right now. The same Ariza wil be terrible if he plays with us now. A playmaker makes such a huge difference .. the lack of one is one of the reasons we are sucking so badly..
stat wise he isn't doing anything. im playing against him in fantasy. maybe you see him having good chemistry or something
Some dumb arguments in here.. Ariza deal was about cap relief as well as strengthening the 2 spot, the Rockets knew they were getting a lesser player or otherwise they couldn't of got away with that deal.. Lee costs 1/4 of Ariza and certainly plays better than a 1/4 of Ariza! Wonder if all the people hating on the deal will still be doing so if that cap relief allows them to make a significant trade this year or next? No one here ever doubted Ariza's defense and his offense is no better than it was here, except lower volume of shots. Effectively the Hornets have swapped Peja to Ariza... is it any great surprise their defense has picked up?
Ariza started off well last year too, and we all thought we were getting a budding star. Hahaha. He'll go back to sucking soon enough.
