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You Guys Debating Fascism Should Ask....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Oct 23, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    "Vote for Trump, his fascism won't effect our system of government so it's cool".

    That should be his campaign motto.
     
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    https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/


    As always, Trump punches back, denigrating his former top advisers. But beneath the typical torrent of invective, there is a larger lesson he has taken away. “I let them quit because I have a heart. I don’t want to embarrass anybody,” Trump says. “I don’t think I’ll do that again. From now on, I’ll fire.”
     
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  3. leroy

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    LOL.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Charlamagne the God lays it out nicely.

     
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    "Fascist'" is an ill-defined and nebulous term plenty of people have spilt plenty of ink over arguing about and attempting to define. I'm not interested in going down that rabbit hole.

    If you want to call Trump a fascist, knock yourself out.

    Democrats have been calling every prominent Republican of this century a nazi/fascist/racist.

    Didn't start with Trump, won't end with Trump.
     
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  7. Xopher

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    I gave you a really good explanation on the previous page. You chose to ignore it. Typical Trump voters who can't combat logic and reason.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    I do want to call Trump a fascist, but if you want to use a different definition of someone who wants to prosecute members of the press that oppose him, and use the military to punish American citizens that oppose him, and tried to overturn an election he admitted he lost, to maintain his hold on power, then use a different definition.

    But his actions are what are important and not the semantics and particular verbiage used to describe those actions.
     
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    The definition of everything you just described is "Hillary and the Dems".
     
  11. GOATuve

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    You are far left on everything
     
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  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Pretty much.
     
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  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Not in the factual world.
     
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    Hitlers all the way down.

    IMG_5087.jpeg
     
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    This is a good article. I've only included a few excerpts.

    As it states, Fascism is a political ideology that's actually pretty difficult to define. Fascism also requires a general belief that the established government parties and institutions are incapable of improving the national situation. But for a fascist party to become powerful, the combination of a strong national identity and disenchantment with government still needs a catalyst to convince populations to side with what often starts as small fringe movements.

    Fascism always takes on the individual characteristics of the country it is in, leading to very different regimes, and is utterly unconcerned with the rights of others, and is willing to use violence and whatever other means are necessary to achieve the goals the leader might have. Fascism is "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques."

    They use propaganda to promote anti-liberalism, rejecting individual rights, civil liberties, free enterprise and democracy, anti-socialism, rejecting economic principles based on socialist frameworks, xclusion of certain groups, often through violence, and nationalism that seeks to expand the nation's influence and power.

    Fascism also reflects an intrinsic belief in human inequality. Fascism requires some basic allegiances, such as to the nation and to a gatekeeping "master race" or group. The core principle — what Paxton defined as fascism's only definition of morality — is to make the nation stronger, more powerful, larger and more successful. Since fascists see national strength as the only thing that makes a nation "good," fascists will use any means necessary to achieve that goal.

    Unlike most other political, social or ethical philosophies — such as communism, capitalism, conservatism, liberalism or socialism — fascism does not have a set philosophy. "There was no Fascist Manifesto, no founding fascist thinker," Paxton wrote.

    "Fascism is about power – it’s not about belief. In "How Fascism Works", I treat fascism as a particular set of tactics to seize power. Fascists do not need to believe that the panic they spread, for example about immigrants, is justified, in order to use it to win elections. Just using it is a fascist tactic," Stanley explained.

    https://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html
     
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    In case you missed it the first time I posted it.

     
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    Remind me again because I keep on hearing it. When did Hillary tell her supporters to go
    To the Capitol and threaten Congress to overturn the election. Also when did she work with state parties to get false electors?
     
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    Naziism is a subset of Fascism. So arguments that because Trump supports Israel and has Jewish family members doesn’t mean he isn’t a Fascist. My own thoughts are that Trump isn’t a fascist like Hitler and I don’t think he would
    Come anywhere close to a final solution or establishing an American Reich. What he has done and says he wants to do is more along the lines Erdogan and Modi who I also think meet the definition of fascist. He will concentrate power in the executive branch, remove the independence of the judiciary and military, and degrade the rule of law.
     
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    Reported. No need to post the same thing on the same page twice.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    Hitler has the ideological crazy man aspect that Trump doesn't have. Hitler is is a psycho in a different way partly because of his WW1 experience. Hitler was as evil as they come but one aspect about him was that he was a hard person. He actually fought in a war. He actually saw some of the worst carnage a human can witness in human history in trench warfare.

    Obviously these type of experiences are going to elevate more passionate emotions about humanity which will allow ideological extremism to set it in for some.

    Trump really never had that type of experience so his psychopathy is more about his narcissism and daddy issues.


    So Trump is like Hitler in some meaningful ways like their natural distaste for "things that aren't like me" and he isn't like Hitler in a lot of other meaningful ways like sincere strong ideological beliefs about how society should be "organized"
     
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