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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by No Worries, Feb 13, 2007.

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  1. Mulder

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    I doubt very seriously that we will see a return to anyone else making computers that Apple has deemed "designed to natively run OS X". They made that mistake once with Power Computing up through Mac OS 8.1.

    That and the fact that Steve won;t go there again. I was at a meeting when an employee asked Steve Jobs the following question:

    Apple Worker Bee: "Steve we only have around 5% of the market share on hardware, but critics resoundingly said they really prefer OS X to any windows operating system. Why don't we just make it so that OS X runs on PC's? We would sell 20 times more OS X. "

    Steve: "While I think we all agree that OS X is a much better OS than anything windows has put out, designing OS X to run on Apple and PC hardware would turn us from a Computer Hardware manufacturer that has it's own software into just a software company overnight."

    It's the difference between selling a $1500 machine or $100 OS (that quite frankly, most people can figure out how to get for free.)

    With the change of the name from Apple Computer to just Apple Inc, maybe he is looking into this as an option for the future. But I seriously doubt it.

    Vista looks and acts a LOT like OS X, an OS that came out in March 2001. It took MS nearly 6 years to come out with something similar and they still aren't up to the same level that OS 10.1 was at in 2001. Plus, didn't M$ just say that Vista will be replaced in two years. I take it back. Vista isn't MAC OS X, it's 7.5.

    The viruses. Microsoft is a giant target for hackers, Apple is not (partly for lower marketshare and partly because it's a Mac, the alternative to the status quo). Plus Unix is way more secure as a backbone.

    As for the commercial, some of ya'll seem pretty pissed off about it. Please, lay off the caffeine for awhile. It's like Ferrari or Porche coming out with a commercial making fun of Ford. Fords are ok cars that most people can buy and afford to maintain. It gets you from point A to point B. Not much frills. You can get the parts anywhere and lots of people can work on them. If it breaks down, so what it's cheap just get another one.

    But Ferrari and Porche are about status and brand loyalty. More engineering thought has been put into its design. It does the mundane things as well as a Ford, but it also has features that Ford's do not and frankly even Ford had them, they would never do as well. Sure it is more expensive, but as with a lot of things you get what you pay for.
     
  2. BenignDMD

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    Good stuff, very funny. I wonder why I havent seen it on TV yet. I guess I fast forward through the commercials. Damn you DVR :cool:
     
  3. jdrock

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    The ironic thing is that the real reason Apple doesn't like Vista is because the iPod doesn't work properly with it. And if I remember correctly, the bug lies in the iPod, not Vista.
     
  4. Fatty FatBastard

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    How to properly install Windows Vista:

    <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://embed.break.com/MjE4Mzc1"></param><embed src="http://embed.break.com/MjE4Mzc1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
     
  5. A-Train

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    Wow! I want that shredder...
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    My iPods (video and shuffle) as well as my wife's nano are all working fine with Vista....
     
  7. jdrock

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    http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/03/1852245

    They may have fixed the problem by now, but for a while Apple was telling people to not use Vista because of a bug with their software/hardware. Kind of lame.
     
  8. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    Thats the new Apple iShredder :D
     
  9. boomboom

    boomboom I GOT '99 PROBLEMS

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    Funny analogy. I wouldn't quite call a Mac a Porsche...probably a Volkswagen...or a Scion.
     
  10. AMS

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    we should do a Mav Vs Rocket commercial

    Hi Im a Rocket. I play defense
    Hi, Im a Mav. I flop
     
  11. SwoLy-D

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    Artsy folks, huh? With VW Beetles, huh? ;) I knew it!

    I know two people with VW models who own iMacs or just MACs. :D
     
  12. Invisible Fan

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    Macs are too expensive. If you want to upgrade, you're more than likely forced to buy from their stores. There's no competition for a reason. As for quality issues, you can get a PC product with better quality for the same markup.

    Windows software can be stable, but it takes some work to get there. Its corporate suites are way better in support and stability than the version sold to consumers. What the Windows lacks in intuitiveness and stability, it makes up with the hardware provided by the likes of AMD and Intel.
     
  13. bejezuz

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    You ever do a price comparison between Apple machines and the equivalent PC? You'd be surprised. You can't get a machine for even the same price from Dell with specs similar to any of Apple's gear.

    Just because you can buy cheaper computers doesn't mean you should.
     
  14. mleahy999

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    What a tool. It's like those idiots who spent $500 on a PS3 and smashed it up. Wow you're so awesome.
     
  15. DonnyMost

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    I miss the iMacs that had the half sphere base :(
     
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  16. Nolen

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    Those of you taking the ad as a personal attack on you, and on all PC owners/users:

    If you have an emotional stake invested in whether you use a PC or Mac... you are a geek. Geeks identify themselves with their hardware. Most people tend to be brand loyal, but most people don't identify themselves with their computers. Most people aren't going to look at these Mac commercials and say "I use a PC! How dare they say that about me!" Apple is poking fun at the PC, not at the owner.
     
  17. LegendZ3

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    Really? When I tried to find a laptop for my girlfriend, I did compare a MacBook with other brands of laptop. I ended up paying 800 for a HP that has the same specs with a 1300 MacBook (even with student discount).

    Mac is more expensive, and lot of it has to do with it's brand name.
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    Who do you think is responsible for the "glitch"?

    The people who programmed the OS, or the manufacturers of the hardware device that had no input?
     
  19. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    They are not geeks. They are called fanboys. As far as fanboys goes, Mac fanboys are by far the worse because most don't have clue. They just repeat what Jobs and his marketing crew tell them.
     
  20. Nolen

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    My take on Windows vs Mac-

    Windows has security issues because they are the dominant platform. They did not get to be the dominant platform by being the superior platform. Not by a long shot. Windows as an OS (we're talking software here, not hardware) is, and always has been, a poor product. I've been using my laptop with XP for five years and I'm happy with it. But the OS is inferior.

    Windows OS has become the dominant platform through cutthroat business practice, bullying vendors and suppliers, and anti-competitive monopolistic behavior of every description. 4 of 4 Supreme Court justices agreed that they broke antitrust law for a reason. Windows never got here through the development of a superior, or even good, product.

    Now, if Microsoft played nice, they would still be the majority platform, because Apple has stuck with the proprietary hardware model for so long, Much like Sony.

    Because Windows has to be compatible with a massive variety of hardware, that makes it harder to stabilize. But that's no excuse for how poorly the product has been made and managed over the years. Microsoft has become a huge, massive company. An employee there posted a description of what it was like being on the huge Vista team. Meetings after meetings after meetings- Security would finalize some issues, have a meeting with Interface team, fight over some disagreements, then go back to the drawing board, over and over again.

    Apple converted over to an entirely new processor family in... what? A year? 8 months? Less? They actually completed before their announced schedule. Microsoft completed Vista about 1 or 2 years late. And they've created an improved user interface- which operates like OSX. Six years after OSX came out.

    I'm buying a new laptop this year, and I'm still undecided on which OS to go with. Windows laptops have better bang for buck, especially in graphics. Could get a Mac and dual-boot it. I like the wider software library for Windows, but let's get one thing straight- it became the dominant platform by Microsoft's bullying and threatening vendors, suppliers, and competitors through illegal practices. We're all the worse off for it. If the anti-trust case against them had resulted in the "death penalty", completely separating their OS division from their other software... our computer world would be a much more beautiful place.
     

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