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Yi Jian Lian to enter NBA 2007 Draft

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by kingkow, Nov 2, 2006.

  1. doublebogey

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    LOL! U know it, I know it. It's not difficult to get an alternate copy of original and authentic documents with falsified data (like date of birth on birth certificate or passport) in China if u know the "right route". In Yi's case, he has the CBA officials behind his back.

    Nothing against Yi. Even Deke has been questioned about his age for a long time and it's a famous joke in NBA. IIRC, Anthony Falsone once said he thought Dream is older than his age in an interview. Age fault for a person from other countries is hard to prove.

    But dont come out to defend Yi and insult people's intelligence. In Yi's case, there are hard data and enough evidence from his graduation year of elementary school and year of college/university examination to prove Yi was born before 1987. Yi couldnt be graduated from elementary school at 9 years old? Just keep your mouth shut and things move on.
     
  2. yuantian

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    why don't you keep your mouth shut. who insulted anyone's intelligence. if there are concrete evidence, why didn't someone officially said anything? sure, it could be true that Yi was born in 84. i'm not defending his age. all i'm saying is, if it's true then somebody ought to provide it officially, not just rumors online. i don't really care if he is 19 or 22. as long as he can play the game. yao was 22 when he was drafted.
     
  3. ysong00

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    damn why does everyone have to be so angry? i was born in mainland china and i dont even have a birth certificate! not sure if it was lost or never got one, but i doubt i'm listed in any of the computer records from back in the 80s in China LOL. so at least Yi has a record of birth, whether its real or not wont matter when he starts to dominate the league in a couple years :D
     
  4. doublebogey

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    blah, blah, blah....

    You're stupid enough to suggest people to look at the keypad and it's a typo of 4.

     
  5. yuantian

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    you sound pretty ignorant, oh well. if you never had any typo, then whatever.
     
  6. WNBA

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    My son was born in the US two years ago. Now I found that I don't have any "concrete evidence" for my son's birth date :eek: except a birth certificate, you know, its just a piece of paper and can have typos on it.............but I know I will send my son to school at right age, not at age 3.


    Yi went to school in the summer of 1991. it is a pretty "concrete evidence" for me to believe his age is 22 now.
     
  7. doublebogey

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    It takes dumb fools like you to mess up China.

    Oh Yeah, Wang Zhi Zhi changed his age before he joined NBA, and that's a typo too.....
     
  8. yuantian

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    o_O sure a fool with a bachelor's in statistics and a master's in biostatistics who works full time in US would mess up china? where did wang zhi zhi come from? thought this is about yi. and according to you, yao should soon be 30 years old o_O please stop talking out of the other end...
     
  9. ooliverb1

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    Dude, calm down... I don't know if his age is changed or not, since on one hand, it is not logical for him to change it (no one really gained anything by this change); on the other hand, there are some pretty solid evidence (his Chinese identification ID posted by pruyen) pointing the other direction.

    I am sure the NBA GMs got the same information we got here. So you know what they will do? Assume the worst -- he is 22! Why? Use a phrase from a film a while back -- "I am paid to be worried when there is nothing to worry about".
     
  10. yuantian

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    i appreciate everything pruyen is doing. however, i think he got the ID from online sources. if you know anything about chinese websites, people create false information ALL the time to create rumors. i wouldn't trust everything you see online. that being said, of course there is a chance Yi is 22 already. but like i said before, i wouldn't completely believe he is 22 at this point without any solid proof. i mean, if yi is 22, why can't yao be 28? somebody go get his ID card then. i think most people understand that the 4/7 typo is easy to make.
     
  11. ooliverb1

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    Put yourself in the shoes of a GM, would you bet with your life that he is born in 1987? Fair or not, sadly, he is "guilty until proven innocent" on this matter.
     
  12. yuantian

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    i'm not saying he can't possibly be 22. all i've tried to say is that the whole mess could be caused by a typo OR among many other things. i mean really, if the kid can play the game, 19/22 aint gon matter much for the next 10 to 15 years if he stayed injury free. and at this point, i don't think he can be proven innocent anymore according to all the information online.
     
  13. doublebogey

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    dude, Yi didnt change his age, the CBA officials did. The CBA officicals did that because so they could have older players stayed in junior competitions for longer years. It's even hard to say the CBA officials are wrong or not because when the Chinese teams play international competitions, there are always someone in the Eastern European teams or 3rd world countries' teams that without a doubt are overaged. So, it's more become a common practice or common known fact in those competitions there are widespread age fraud.

    I am not concerned about Yi's career in NBA and I have nothing against Yi. I will say Yi is a victim of the CBA system.

    But people try to deny the fact that there are widespread age fraud of basketball players under CBA is frustrating. And CBA has already admitted the problem itself and is going to take steps to stop age fraud.

    When you look at Yi, it's like looking at the East Germany Women Swimming Team. Everyone look at those women know they were on hormanes and drugs. And proof would come out sooner or later. So as Yi's age, proof will come out sooner or later.

    Yi's age problem wont go away if Yi becomes more rich and famous. It's a great opportunity for hush money. Can Yi afford to have his image tarnished by age fraud for his endorsement deals? Yi has crossed path with too many people and too recently. Just look at Yi's elemantary school graduation picture, he was 9 year old and he's a head taller than the tallest 12 year old. Quite amazing, isnt it? How many people were in that picture? Someone want some hush money will certainly track some of those people down to show some documents, some pictures, some memories. I'm waiting.......

    For those dumb fools who lack common sense and common knowledge and are convinced Yi was graduated from elementary school at age 9, I mean what can you say. You cant even ask them to check if their IQ are below 65.
     
  14. doublebogey

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    Well, I am happy u r in USA. At least it's one less people of your mindset in China.

    Wang Zhi Zhi is the exact precedent example of age fraud of players under CBA. If u dont understand the age fraud problem under CBA, then u need to read some materials before you air your naive opinion.
     
  15. yuantian

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    sure there is a problem with false aged atheletes. is the problem 100% true for all athletes? if the answer is no, then there is a chance yi's age is correctly reported. i don't think all athletes in china were given a younger age by the system. i would bet less than 25% of athletes have false age. where does that leave yi? much greater chance that his age is correct than not.
     
  16. yuantian

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    i think china should have one less people like you. your mindset is very cynical. there are problems in every country, china no exception. but if you believe everything is bad/evil, then there is something wrong with you. there are a lot of good things in china. besides, yi look more like 19/20 than 22 to me. btw, people in US are more naive than people in china, just so you know. last time i checked, my iq is in the range of 120-130 :D
     
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    I hate to be a broken record here... but that's exactly why I felt this age change thing is not logical -- he only played ONCE in the junior world game in 2003, he would be eligible even if he was born in 1984.

    :eek: :confused:.

    Anyway, it really does not matter here. right now, In the eyes of all the GMs, he is 22...
     
  18. ¿TRNT?

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    I think his age was changed to delay NBA draft eligibility. That way he can be kept longer in the Chinese Basketball Association. He is a star in that league after all.
     
  19. WNBA

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    Why not logical? :confused: to me, it is damn straight.

    99% players from all kinds of sporting schools in China will not even be in any sports later in their life, but they still got their age changed when they were young.

    Any logic here?

    yes. they could not predict the future but they prepared for the future.
     
  20. ooliverb1

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    99%? Wow. You give such an authoritative figure, I assume you have a very reliable source on this figure? So Yao belongs to that innocent 1% or the dirty 99%?
     

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