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Yet more ethnic unrest in China with at least 100 dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ari, Jul 6, 2009.

  1. redao

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    it is Hans ranting back. that's all.
     
  2. KingLeoric

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    What western media is not telling you
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    Well, this is not good....
     
  4. Ubiquitin

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    From what I understand, both East Turkestan and Tibet contain very little wealth. Why is it in China's interest to maintain both areas if the people want autonomy?
     
  5. splendidfish

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    I am amused by this. By your logic: it is right and good for European colonists to take over and "maintain" the New World, because this continent contains great wealth; it is right and good for the North to war against the South and "maintain" the United States territory, because the South contains great wealth. How about returning Texas to Mexico after the petrol is pumped out?
     
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    Fourth video I've uploaded on Youtube that shows the atrocity of the uighur terrorists has been "removed for violation of terms." This is good practice of freedom of speech. Next time don't cry for CCP censorship, Youtube, because you deserve it.
     
  7. aghast

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    Are you by any chance related to bananafish? Always a good day for you.

    Implicit in your "amuse"-ment is an acceptance of the colonial nature of China's rule.

    You'll see how well colonialism over native peoples worked out for us Westerners over the last few hundred years.
     
  8. redao

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    The Indians are having a good time up in the heaven. thanks for that.
     
  9. redao

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    first, that is ~3 million square kilometers area. China will never throw away 30% of their total area for nothing.

    Second, even China's weakest governments have ruled those areas for hundreds of years, I don't see any reason that communist party and their 1.3 billion people should not.

    Third , let them loose, China's other 50+ minorities will do the same thing.

    Fourth, the wealth under the ground of 3M km^2 is incredibility huge no matter how you measure it.

    Last, whatever western world wanted China to do , China just have to refuse it and it usually generates good results.
     
  10. aghast

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    Alas, the British repented for their Indian quagmire about a half-century ago. The sun finally set, and all. They even made a movie out of it; you might have seen it?

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    On a side note, it might be time to change your signature, redao. Unfortunately, some things in life appear to be imminently stoppable.
     
  11. Ubiquitin

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    That logic in academic circles is known as realism. Nations are driven to maximize their power and one of the ways is through economic gain. Therefore, if China spends more on non Han regions than it stands to gain from holding it, there is benefit from giving the areas autonomy.
     
  12. Ari

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    Well, I guess if we got one thing out of this thread it is this: Yao Ming is definitely stoppable.

    Hu abandoned the G8 and went back to China, trying to salvage whatever is left of his promise of racial harmony in China. His 'vision' has miserably failed for the second year in a row now.
     
  13. saitou

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    Sorry to sidetrack but what do you mean by this? I'm guessing you're being sarcastic? Seems like it's worked out pretty well for Westerners in the U.S. and Australia. :confused:
     
  14. redao

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    Hu is weak. He does not even know what enemy means.
     
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    Yeah, kill them all and then tell the world how deeply sorry you are.

    asians just aren't good at doing things that way.
     
  16. meh

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    Yikes. The situation looks bad. I don't even know what the government can do. Supress the dissendents and you get every western nation condoning your actions. Ignore the situation and it's mob rule. No-win situation.

    Personally, I'd just lay down the hammer and don't give a damn about what other people say.

    Nations do NOT maximize power through economic gains only. No nation does this. Not even the US. That said, there are plenty of perfectly logical reasons(as mentioned above) why China would rather retain these lands than to let them become independent.
     
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    I believe the word condemning is what you meant. I'd agree with your opinion.

    Reading from the various discussions online, I see an increasing pressure from the Chinese on CCP to the end or at least to rethink China's affirmative action policy unabashedly favoring the ethnic minorities.

    How this needs to be explained is beyond me.
     
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    The Chi-nternet has never met an ethnic minority that isn't lazy, violent or given special treatment by the notoriously ethnically sensitive CCP. The peace-loving chinese are constantly under threat from these barbarians who lurk at their very gates. it's amazing that the Hans have ever gotten anywhere at all with all the constant struggles against their powerful stone age minority foes.

    Han of China - I salute you for persevering in your struggles against the swarthy marauders of the hinterlands who denigrate and oppress you every day. One day the beast of Turkic and Tibeto-Burman oppression will be vanquished, and you will be masters of your own domain - until then....the struggle for an independent Chinese homeland continues.....
     
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  19. Ubiquitin

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    "Mercantilism is an economic theory that holds that the prosperity of a nation is dependent upon its supply of capital, and that the global volume of international trade is "unchangeable." Economic assets or capital, are represented by bullion (gold, silver, and trade value) held by the state, which is best increased through a positive balance of trade with other nations (exports minus imports)." Definition from wikipedia.

    Germany and Japan in the 1930s were great examples of this strategy.

    Personally, I follow the idea of Liberalism over Realism. Liberalism is the idea that individuals push the system forward, and through trade there are increases in peace and welfare. It is what pushes Globalization of markets (and soon governments) forward. A liberal prescription to this issue would be to just engage in trade with East Turkestan and Tibet for any resources that those regions may posses, because it is more affordable in the long run over conquest.
     
  20. meh

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    I need should more Chinese stuff. I almost never do(unless it's Yao/Rockets related) because Chinese websites are really difficult to navigate, and the forums usually seem badly moderated and disorganized. But it really does prevent me from understanding the issues from both sides.

    Sam, I just want you to know that I love your posts. I currently live in China. And sometimes my Chinese friends ask me about what Americans' opinions of certain Chinese issues are, I'd tell them stuff you post. It never fails to light a loud round of laughter in the room. I can't make up jokes funnier than this stuff.
     

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