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Yet more ethnic unrest in China with at least 100 dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ari, Jul 6, 2009.

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  1. davidwu

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    Of course I know there are reasonable voices out there, but it's not reflected anywhere. You can see what the discussion in this thread is leading to, and if you check CNN's headline, the keywords are "demonstrations" and "crackdowns". At least you don't see CCP controlled media go publicly sympathetic with the terrorism acts after 911.

    So please, get your reasonable voice heard in the mainstream media. The current ones are fostering more aggressive nationalism in China that if one day China goes democratic as you wish, the outcome would not be what you expect.

     
    #41 davidwu, Jul 7, 2009
  2. pirc1

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    We all know CCP is the devil and China is all evil (ask CNN's Lou Dobbs). Yet people in the US think all Chinese are brain washed.
     
    #42 pirc1, Jul 7, 2009
  3. jli

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    Stop watching CNN !
     
    #43 jli, Jul 7, 2009
  4. pirc1

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    Well you want me to watch Fox instead?

    US TV news coverage really truely stinks. The best by far is the NPR show but they stop after 7pm.
     
    #44 pirc1, Jul 7, 2009
  5. Ari

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    There is no such thing as the "Asian race" dude, what the hell are you talking about? :confused: The Uyghurs are Turkic and they are wholly different from the Han.
     
    #45 Ari, Jul 7, 2009
  6. MFW

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  7. MFW

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    There is also the issue of that little treaty signed between a certain Dalai and a certain Qing emperor, which sad to say, even many Chinese are not aware of.

    But this isn't a thread on Tibet so...

    Your idiocy knows no bound. Perhaps you should bother to check whether you got your chicken or egg wrong.

    Xinjiang is a mess, security-wise, necessitating the need for curfews, martial law, large police forces. Uighurs cause trouble (not all, but I am generalizing here), CCP brings in the cops and the big guns, violence goes down. It ain't that hard of a concept to grasp.

    Since the last couple of Strike Hard campaigns (which is of course, instituted throughout China, but also in Xinjiang) starting in 1997, there had been a marked decrease in violent incidents in Xinjiang.

    If the Uighurs are not causing trouble, there would have been need for such drastic actions.


    China using terrorism to justify brutality? Really? Perhaps the current uprising is not terrorist related, but ETIM alone accounts for about 700 "violent incidents" in the last 7 or 8 years. And ETIM is one group of many.

    Engineered demographic sihft? According the the US Embassy in Beijing and the UN, there has been a negligible increase in Han population as a percent of ethnic make-up in Xinjiang from 1990 to 2007. It went up from about 34% to 34.5%. Uighurs went down from 47.6% to 47.18%. Know what they call in statistics roughly a 0.5% shift? A margin of error.

    And even if there had been a shift, Xinjiang is Chinese land. And Chinese citizens could settle anywhere on Chinese land.

    No, you are just missing couple million brain cells.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

    Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
    Pronunciation: \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1795
    : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
    — ter·ror·ist \-ər-ist\ adjective or noun
    — ter·ror·is·tic \ˌter-ər-ˈis-tik\ adjective

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terror

    Main Entry: ter·ror
    Pronunciation: \ˈter-ər, ˈte-rər\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French terrour, from Latin terror, from terrēre to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble — more at tremble
    Date: 14th century

    4: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>

    What happened is by definition terrorism. The question is whether it is organized terrorism.

    We have other words for snatching a lady's purse. It is called theft/robbery.

    Nice of you to put the two on the same scale though.
     
    #47 MFW, Jul 7, 2009
  8. kpsta

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    I'm fairly certain that I've never read a post of yours in which you do not insult someone with whom you disagree. Why do you insist on posting like that?
     
    #48 kpsta, Jul 7, 2009
  9. MFW

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    You would be incorrect. I insult SammyFisher, Ottomoton and the likes of Ari. Others posters we agree to disagree.
     
    #49 MFW, Jul 7, 2009
  10. wnes

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    Maybe the ones he "insulted" look like linglings to him?
     
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  11. pirc1

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    Haven't seen lingling in ages, did the zoo stop his internet access? :D
     
    #51 pirc1, Jul 7, 2009
  12. Ari

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    LOL! Thanks for making my case for me. With propaganda and stereotypes like this being perpetuated in part by state media and school books, and shaping Han attitudes toward minority groups in China, no wonder you guys get along oh so well! :rolleyes:

    Here is a quote

    Seriously, how the heck do you guys plan on improving race relations if you simply refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem? :confused:

    Show me one example in the world today where progress was made on matters of ethnic and race relations when the government has refused to acknowledge and therefore ignore the problem for good? In America, we had PLENTY of racial tensions, and have slowly and progressively addressed them over time by bringing the issue out in the open, not in trying to hide our dirty laundry and hope the problem just magically disappears. And there is no country on earth more pluralistic or multi-cultured than the U.S. Sure, having a homogeneous population like Japan would be helpful, but China is not Japan and it has at least two major ethnic groups that are vehemently opposed to Han-majority policies which are supported and enforced by the feds in Beijing.

    Keep ignoring the problem and it will fester, and you will see manifestations of riots and "terrorism" like we have seen in just the past two years in China, in two different regions at that, both of which have incredible strategic significance for the future of China and Chinese security. China will always have a problem as long it is far more interested in photo ops that seek to show the whole world just how wonderful and united the homeland is than any real social progress seeking to address lingering grievances. As we have learned in Iran, such unaddressed grievances (political or otherwise) act as triggers for widespread protests/riots/terrorism when they remain unaddressed.
     
    #52 Ari, Jul 7, 2009
  13. SamFisher

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    See folks? As I predicted, the same false analogy between Uighurs demanding more autonomy in their own homeland of East Turkestan and the September 11 hijackers is being drawn. According to the big lie pushed by the PRCbots, there's no difference between them and any other angry muslim - all one big brown scary bunch of dirty terrorists.

    Sorry China - nobody bought it then, nobody buys it now.

    It's about as structurally sound as Yao Ming's foot (speaking of which, i trust we'll lose some of these posters in the future...too bad :( )
     
    #53 SamFisher, Jul 7, 2009
  14. Ari

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    Considering those two to be some of the more reasonable posters I have come across here, I will consider you lumping me in with them a compliment. Is your rage borne out of the fact that they own you and haunt you in your sleep?

    I especially love how you described the Uyghurs as "causing problems", which is I assume a CCP euphemism for not cooperating in refusing to bow down to their Han masters. America used to say the same thing about them negros in the South. It is this over the top xenophobic attitude of the overwhelming majority of Chinese that is constantly getting your beloved country into these less than flattering moments with the whole world looking on.
     
    #54 Ari, Jul 7, 2009
  15. yuantian

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    if the rest of the world are all class act, then i would agree with you. but since no one is, don't give me that attitude. you guys aren't any better.
     
    #55 yuantian, Jul 7, 2009
  16. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    You gotta love it when the usual suspects show up to "explain" the latest round of protests turned deadly. You guys could turn a Martin Luther King march into some orchestrated Bin Laden'esque terror effort. Brilliant.
     
    #56 CometsWin, Jul 7, 2009
  17. JujuxG

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    Human kind ..... :eek:
    How much difference is in each human than the way that they are raised.
     
    #57 JujuxG, Jul 7, 2009
  18. KingCheetah

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    You don't see this kind of madness in the sovereign Republic of Taiwan.
     
    #58 KingCheetah, Jul 7, 2009
  19. yuantian

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    didn't they just have election violence in Republic of China?
     
    #59 yuantian, Jul 7, 2009
  20. Ari

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    Is this a serious post? :rolleyes: American race relations are not any better than Chinese race relations?

    Yeah, and the CCP is a model democracy
     
    #60 Ari, Jul 7, 2009
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