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Yet more ethnic unrest in China with at least 100 dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ari, Jul 6, 2009.

  1. MFW

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    Now see, this is a prime example of question dodging, SammyFisher style. The Sith Lord found a new disciple. This one learns quick.

    And Turkey has as much leverage on China as East Timor has on Russia, so it is very much irrelevant.

    Allow me. I think I've heard of all their rhetorics, Ahem:

    "Despite Xinjiang being rich in natural resources, the Uighurs are being left behind in 'their own land.' All the benefits went to the Hans, who are wealthier. Uighurs are being kept out of key positions and businesses. They are also kept from practising their religion."


    Of course, the idiots that like to peddle such rants like to completely ignore the fact that Xinjiang is a huge net negative for China, economics-wise. The amount of money flowing into Xinjiang is far greater than the resources flowing out.

    They also like to run cross-sectional comparisons as supposed to time series and compare the Uighurs were ALWAYS poorer compared to ethnic Hans. So instead of looking at the fact that Uighur lives were **** in the past and improved significantly, they look at the Hans and say they are wealthier than we are.

    Aside from lack of funds (required to make more money), many don't speak the official language, in which business in most of the rest of the country is conducted in. They also have MUCH MUCH lower education than even the poorest ethnic Han, despite government benefits, ironically, their lack of ability to speak denies many of them the opportunity for higher education elsewhere in China. They also don't possess the business acumen of ethnic Hans, which has a long long business tradition.

    Of the four problems above, only one can be fixed easily if the Uighurs are willing to learn Chinese. The other three are not. Wealth takes years to accumulate, ironically depending on them learning Chinese and getting an education. Even if they do so, there is no guarantee they'll catch up to Hans. Business acumen takes even longer.

    All of the above essentially meant Uighurs will always (unless changed) be disadvantaged in important jobs/key positions because they are not qualified. Governmental efforts have dampened the effect, but the situation is like the US economy, it's not in a free fall, but still going downhill.

    So Uighurs are just like blacks/hispanics in the US aren't they? It's always somebody else's fault. Well, not exactly like them. Blacks and hispanics have so much fewer rights don't they?

    But it's always heart-warming to see there are people always eager to spring the "systematic oppression and institutionalized discrimination" line.

    And lastly, not allowing the Uighurs to practise their religion. On that front, as I said, Sammy's buddies really like their cake and eat it too don't they?

    You see the likes of AI and HRW routinely lambasting China anywhere from disallowing Vatican appointees for the Chinese Catholic Church, the majority members of which is ethnic Han, to the "mistreatment" of cults like Falun Gong, which also is ethnic Han. And then they come around and claim the situation in Xinjiang is racial and systemic discrimination by Hans against the poor poor Uighur minorities.

    I find it amazing when one can take two arguments at two different sides of the spectrum. Only China-bashers are capable of such awesome feats.
     
  2. Kwame

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    I definitely condemn the violence on the Uyghur side, but I equally condemn their treatment by the PRC, which I believe to be the root cause. Here's some evidence that documents what you want me to elaborate on:

    http://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/asia/china-bck1017.htm

    http://www.unpo.org/content/view/4000/107/

    http://www.uhrp.org/articles/2339/1...-government-jobs-in-East-Turkestan/index.html
     
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