Yet more ethnic unrest in China with at least 100 dead

As I've shown clearly already (and morons like Ari simply chose to ignore), Xinjiang isn't Uighur land. It's Han land. And it's been Han land for about 2200 years before Uighurs settled there.

If Ari like self-determination for the Uighurs, self-determine themselves off Chinese lands to South-Central Siberia. I'm sure China has no problems with it. We'll let the Russians and Kazaks deal with the headache.

But it's interesting to see SammyFisher style posters are all interchangeable. They never let facts stop their bullsh1t.

They are all interchangeable.

 

This pugnacity is the true face of the great Hot Pot of ethnicity in the Sina.tmosphere and the Sohu.tong - we will boil you or else.

 

The riots in China are making the Iranian protests look small by comparison -- total and complete anarchy.

Taiwan is currently weighing options on intervention.

 

that would be awesome. i can't wait for taiwan to retake the mainland again.

 

184 deaths confirmed. 137 Hans (111 men, 26 women), 46 Uighurs (45 men, 1 women), 1 Hui.

 

When will the madness end ?

 

I bet those poor Uighurs were burned to death on the bus. They never got a chance to explain to those SOBs that they are their brothers or sisters.

 

184 lives is not something to joke about.

don't downgrade yourself to the level of KingCheetah and Samfisher

 

i wasn't joking.

 

Unlike you Sammy, I don't rely on tabloid sites for information. But then again, since you are googling all the time, it's not surprising that those types are the sources you come up with.

 

You don't speak for others, do you? SamFisher, for instance, has shown consistently sided with Uyghur separatists, cheered and justified their criminal actions at every possible turn.

The two are not mutually exclusive. The definition of terrorism has been posted earlier in this thread, if you care to read. Terrorist tactic can be employed in domestic violence, race riot included.

Nobody is saying all Uyghurs are terrorists. Get it right. Uyghur terrorists is a qualified term and has been used with discretion.

"Persons desiring autonomy" won't be called terrorists if no deadly, violent acts are committed. Simple as that.

You got it wrong. Western media is the only one interchangeably using Han and Chinese -- I challenge you to find one example in any western media's report where "hyphenated" reference is used. Chinese kids, on the other hand, are taught since their kindergarten years that Chinese are multi-ethnic people. As far as land of Xinjiang goes, there is certainly dispute as to who previously settled there first, but it shouldn't matter in the current state of affairs. Because Xinjina is part of China, how China manages its land and resources is not the business of anyone outside of China.

You keep bringing it up without following it up on my rebuttal of your argument. I could have cited bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as an example of heavy-handedness but that's too controversial for my taste since it involves the use of WMD. As I said, Han vis-a-vis Jew is beside the point. What relevant is the extent of punishment of the perpetrators. Not all references to WWII are applications of Godwin's law. No need to be paranoid, as you like to call out another poster.

Obviously you either have not read enough or simple choose to ignore the facts before jumping to conclusion.

The Han Chinese factory worker who started the rape rumor was arrested on June 28.

Authority in Guangdong Province, where the previous brawl between Hand and Uyghurs occurred, made announcement regarding the investigation progress up on June 30.

Thirteen of the 15 people involved in the Guangdong brawl were arrested before July 5.

There are plenty of evidences pointing that the Uyghur riot was premeditated and had connection to outside organizations, most notably World Uyghur Congress. The head of WUC, Rebiya Kadeer, even admitted in the U.S. media that she told his relatives in Xinjiang by telephone before the riot that something violent was about to erupt.

I'll also add it's no coincidence that the Uyghurs terrorists in China were suddenly more emboldened after learning their fellow freedom fighters were freed to some Pacific paradise island to recoup weeks ago.

Terrible analogy. Police force was not responsible for the death of Uyghur workers in Guangdong. In case you don't know, which I am sure you don't and this may come as a shocker to you all, judicial system in China has a policy favoring minority offenders.

The complicity on the part of western media is yet to be determined. But more often than not, journalism integrity is lost when it comes to reporting China, especially on something bad. Give you two simple examples. In one, Rebiya Kadeer, the so-called champion of Uyghur causes, held a falsified picture in front of U.S. media to show the Uyghur "demonstration" was peaceful. In another, she told Western media she doesn't speak Chinese but was shown speaking Chinese in one of the online video clips.

How this congenital liar is still being trumpeted by U.S. Congress and National Endowment of Democracy is beyond me.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8143107.stm

As the situation in Xinjiang calms down, people from across China discuss the cause of the unrest and the impact it might have on social stability in the future.

Harry He, tradesman, Xian
I used to work for a travel company, so I've travelled to Xinjiang a lot. I was totally shocked when I heard what happened there.

Uighurs believe this is their land, and it is. But Han Chinese have been settling down there since the Tang dynasty, when the Silk Route opened up new cities and new opportunities.

Maybe the Chinese did rule Xinjiang with an iron first. But we are learning the lesson.

I am confident that my government is doing the right thing to bring harmony

Harry He
Things have already got better for ethnic minorities. In some ways, they enjoy more privileges. For example I have to study really hard to get into university while it's easier for Uighurs, as there is a reserved quota for them regardless of how well they've performed.

Uighurs have a bad reputation in the rest of China. They get involved in criminal activities. They also don't speak Mandarin well. That's why many Han Chinese have little respect for them and some even hate them.

Urumqi is a wealthy, modern city. Twenty years ago you couldn't see such prosperity. All this wealth goes back into their education and social welfare.

I've been reading blogs and I know that so many people want to talk about it. But I also know that if I post a comment, it will disappear in two minutes.

The government is controlling the information in order to contain the violence. Information should be released step by step, not at once. If they let people comment freely, anger and hatred will spread quickly and some Han Chinese might want to retaliate against Uighurs.

I am confident that my government is doing the right thing to bring harmony.


Kalder, IT engineer, Beijing, originally from Urumqi
I belong to the Hui minority group. Back in Urumqi I've got friends from the Hui, Han and Uighur groups. Relations between us have always been fine, that's why I was totally shocked when I heard what happened earlier in the week.

The most important thing for the stability of Xinjiang is economic prosperity benefiting everyone

I don't think the rioters represent the Uighur minority. Most of the Uighurs are good people and they don't want such things to happen.

I feel that both Uighurs and Hui people are supported by the government. It's easier for us to get into university and there are more opportunities.

It's true that many Han people have come to Xinjiang in the last few years and that more Han Chinese live in Urumqi than Uighurs. But I don't mind that. If I can come to Beijing, why can't Han Chinese go to Urumqi?


Security forces separate the Uighur and Han Chinese neighbourhoods
I don't feel anybody is looking down on me here because I am from the Hui ethnic group. But I know that Han Chinese look down on Uighurs, because some Uighurs do bad things, like stealing, so they attract bad feelings.

The situation in Xinjiang is getting better and better. People earn more money, their life style is better than before and they are happier. The visitors from other parts of China create more, not less, opportunities.

So I think that the most important thing for the future stability of Xinjiang is economic prosperity benefiting everyone.

I am a little bit worried about stability in the short term. My parents told me that they feel much safer now that the army is there. So I think that the army should stay there for a few months at least to ensure the safety of the people there.


Uighur migrant worker, Dongguan, Guangdong province
This Uighur man, who has been working in Guangdong province for five years, wanted to remain anonymous.

I was shocked to hear about the recent unrest in Xinjiang. Violence is wrong, from whichever side.

It's obvious that just a handful of people took part in the rioting. My friends told me that they didn't recognise any of the guys that they saw in the TV reports - where were they from?

Attacking people and ransacking shops is definitely wrong, because it undermines national unity. I have many classmates and friends from many nationalities, and we all enjoy good relationships.

We cannot really tell what's happening from the reports on TV. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. It must have been premeditated; otherwise, how come there were so many people?

I have many friends in Urumqi, but I haven't heard about these reports of large numbers of people at train stations and airports trying to leave.

July and August have always been popular with travellers, and people come and go. It is always difficult to get tickets during these months, and transport terminals are busy when things are normal.


Wang Bin, student, Chongqing, originally from Ningxia
I believe in what the government is saying - that the riots are caused by the World Uighur Congress, which used the Guangdong factory incident to fuel anger among Uighurs.

I think that Uighurs are angry because of the failure of the government's ethnic policy. China has given many privileges to minority groups. When Uighurs break the law, for example, they don't get punished as heavily as Han Chinese would.

I think that Uighurs can benefit more from the prosperity of Xinjiang

Wang Bin
But these privileges fail to bring true benefits to the Uighur people. As the economy develops, the gap between poor and rich within the Uighur ethnic group has become very big, just like anywhere else in China.

And some of them feel that they have been marginalised. I think this is the fundamental reason for the unrest.

In addition, it's true that there are many Han Chinese who went to Xinjiang in the last few years and in some industries there are more Han Chinese than Uighurs.

So I think that Uighurs can benefit more from the prosperity of Xinjiang.

I think that the government should start treating all ethnic groups equally. There shouldn't be any preferential treatment for anyone, so that all ethnicities can live together in harmony.

 

One thing I find strange is that there is no first hand video footage being leaked to the internet. You'd think someone would have some type of footage.

 

Whatever floats your boat. If you and your jerkoff buddy wish to continue your delusion of grandeur, so be it.

In the meantime though, please answer how Xinjiang is Uighur land. Otherwise I will simply accept that I have owned your ass, just I do with SammyFisher everytime.

Unlike your little group, I deal in substance.

 

I think you missed my earlier post directed at you:

I ask you this because I don't see you making noise about Israel/Palestine and US military support of Israel.

 

I'm definitely not a China basher. I once started a thread on how the West demonizes certain authoritarian leaders in Africa like Mugabe, but ignores other despots in the continent. Somehow that thread turned into China bashing, which was curious to me. But, I can't believe so many people on here seem to condone and maybe even support the systematic oppression and institutionalized discrimination that's gone on for so long against the Uyghur ethnic group in Xinjiang by the PRC.

 

Please elaborate on systematic oppression and institutionalized discrimination.