Yet more ethnic unrest in China with at least 100 dead

China has people from 56 nations. Most nations live peacefully throughout the whole country. I have a number of minority friends including Muslims. I've been to Xinjiang myself. I've seen people with different cultures living peacefully there.
Too bad the western world do not like this. They give fundings to the terrorists leaders and so they can turn peace into chaos. Then make their lieing routines afterwards. "Ya something happened in Xinjiang! Then government killed hundreds of peaceful protesters! See in the pictures we choose to show you, all the Hans are carrying sticks and all the Uyghurs are women and children!" Sadly it works on the people and make them go "Free Tibet! Free Xinjiang!" without even knowing or careing what happened and what is going to happen.

 

You are really that naive to think that we are angry that you posted the Uyghur woman's pictures here instead of the bloodily murdered Chinese. We are angry that there is only one-sided report in the mainstream media. Yes many Chinese try to post those pictures on internet or youtube (in vain though, youtube has repeatedly taken down the pro-china videos). But let me ask you, grab an average person on street, would you take the bet that 9 out of 10 only have seen reports/photos from one side, 9 out of 10 still think it was a peaceful protest that's cracked down by evil CCP and the majority of dead people are Uyghurs.

As for the photos you are raving about, it's in no way comparing to the tank man in 64 (whom I admire too). For that scene, everyone else was fleeing while he stood there calmly while the photo was taken from nearby hotel room (relatively safe). For this one, like you can see from other angles (much less impressive, isn't it), every one around that area were calm, including the photographer as if she was posing for a studio shot.

 

This site is owned by Clutch, as many have reminded others around here. If Clutch decides to screen by race and ethnicity, it's his call. Before that happens, you don't need to pretend you didn't have fun in every China/Chinese related thread in D & D. Comparing to other freedom fighters around here, Sam, you know a thing or two about China, whether you use those knowledge to twist simple facts more craftily is another story though.

You should know how pro-US Chinese youth were in the 80's and 90's. You can also easily sense how that has changed over the years now, even among oversea ethnic Chinese. Do you wonder why? Does China or oversea Chinese have less access to different news source and opinions with Internet, comparing to 20 years ago? You can argue that with your beloved US media.
In my opinion, there is no need to look further, instead of just using the powerful search function in D & D. In every single thread involving dead Han Chinese, you, CometsWin, KingCheetah, Ottomatto, Ari, Azdare (forgive my spelling), are persistently blaming the victims, be it attacking handicapped girl or burning senior woman or slaughtering little children. You guys never miss a lock step.

 

aghast: Thanks for the reply. I didn't know about the Uighurs being caught wrongly by the US, that was a big blunder.

My point about bringing up Fox and MSNBC was to show that they have very strong biases and an agenda. Maybe there isn't a big anti-Chinese bias, but for this topic there is a very clear slant being taken. Other Chinese posters already make a good argument for this, so I'll leave it at that.

Re: Chinese media censorship and the need to verify - point taken.

Then you shouldn't be offended by the 9/11 pics either

The point I wanted to make about colonialism with respect to your earlier remarks was telling the Chinese government to look at the results of colonialism, isn't exactly a good way of discouraging it. If anything it would encourage it. Besides 'abstract notions of sovereignty' of course is very real land and natural resources which China is hungry for.

The funny thing is, out of the examples you mentioned, I'd argue the most successful colonies - America, Australia - were the ones where the most brutal force was used. Bringing native races close to extinction has helped US and Australia avoid native peoples having enough numbers to riot and demand independence... like in Xinjiang.

 

It's Azadre, and my point is that this event was perpetrated for entirely different reasons than the terrorist attacks on 9/11, and that if East Turkestan wants independence, and if the region contributes next to nothing to China, then it should be granted. But doing so, I was never justifying this race riot. These people were targeted for their race, and that is reprehensible.

 

Azadre, I am glad that you recognized that those 158 Han Chinese were killed because they are Han Chinese. However, terrorisms based on different motives (still arguable) don't change the fact they are terrorism, and it shouldn't be supported in any form, no matter one's political view shall be.

As for the usefulness of the land, I don't think that should be the reason to decide whether a country should give up a piece of land, and it especially shouldn't be decided by outsiders. Just like I have no say, neither does Chinese/British/Egyptian/ media have any say whether TX should be returned to Mexico, or Chinatown in NYC or SF should be independent. That being said, it's absolutely unacceptable that opinion/motive to be used to start terrorism on innocent human beings, especially those defenseless women and children.

 

LOL ... how does the reputation feature work on CF.net?

If any mod were to ban a poster on grounds of racist tone, this post of SamFisher should be always brought up.

 

aghast, I thought you were smarter than this. Turning the other cheek wouldn't work, since CCP is atheist. You might want try to suggest that to other folks whose countries and/or religions have that line of scripture. Shall I say good luck?

 

Ari et al, what do you know about CCP's minority policies?

Same question to all other misguided China bashers.

 

I'm just sad at how easy it is to manipulate people. I see the Han Chinese and the minority being easily manipulated by propaganda. Even educated, intelligent people with access to facts cannot seem to see beyond the BS. I'd like to believe this is because of the control of the Chinese government, but I get the feeling this is just a human thing, it's so much easier when you have someone to hate.

 

I am not getting what you said. Are you saying the Americans in general are not being manipulated by what's fed to them in the supposedly free media?

 

I don't know too many details about the policies, I've read enough b****ing from Han Chinese to know a some details, the minorities seem to have better opportunities.

China is a country with a wide chasm between the rich and the poor, a chasm that is growing bigger. The majority of Chinese are poor farmers or factory workers working hard for peanuts just trying to get by, lets call them peasants, there are also the rich and powerful, the policy makers and businessmen who run the country together, we'll call them the nobles. The government, run by the nobles, enacts a policy that gives advantages to some minority peasants and makes life a little more unfair for the Han peasants. The peasants fight amongst themselves: why isn't this scrap of food mine, while the nobles sit at their fancy dinner parties.

I can understand if this story happened in 1970s China or earlier, but it's age of information and technology. How long is it going to take for these people to take off their blindfolds...

 

First, I never ever talked about wanting the sympathy from Americans because I understand your side.

Second, making a pose before the camera, talking loudly on TV show and killing 1000 people are quite different from protests, in my opinion.

Third, I like your Nazi labeling. That's what an enemy should do but have you ever thought that you were a real Nazi against Chinese people?

 

Yes, it is so easy to get a country from piss poor to a rich one. I am sure there are great leaders out there that will lead China to great prosperity so it is richer than than the US. Do you know how the little people in the US is fighting for scraps compared to the top 1%?

Did China improve its standard of living by many folds for just about everyone, even the little famers and factory workers over the last thirty years. How many countries can you say have this type of transformation in the human history?

It is so easy to sit on the side line and talk about equality and human rights. If it was so easy, all these poor countries in the world would not be in their current state.

I can tell you that Deng was god's gift to China, without such a leader China would be much worse than that great democracy India.

 

Of course they are, the golf war and this Iraq war are great examples of manipulation by conservative and liberal media. Religion makes it easier to manipulate Americans in certain ways. But the thing is that the manipulation in America is very advanced and subtle, even then there are many who see through the whole thing, those people's voices can be heard through the new media and it is getting harder to manipulate open minded, intelligent people.

Compare that to the relative primitive methods used by China, it is really alarming how well it works on very intelligent people who are open minded on other issues. I guess it's like religion, when people get something instilled in them from a very young age, it's hard to break that mental block.

 

This just demonstrates you have very limited knowledge on China besides your skewed view. Exception to one-child limit is only one of many policies that favor the minorities. But that one alone is sufficient to show the argument that CCP's has been all-out diluting minority populations holds no water.

As far as religious freedom goes, the government doesn't intervene if these people practice within the confines of the laws.

There is no absolute freedom in any country. Ask the followers of Warren Jeffs, or the folks in the Branch Davidian (assuming you can find one alive).

Wrong. Not that I am in any way shape or form affiliated with CCP, Han Chinese simply do not benefit from CCP's minority policies.

LOL ... how does one imperialize one's own provinces?

But I'll play, you know there are many separatist groups in many parts of the world, not to mention in the very United States of America. Here's a question, as a Jew, do you support all their causes or only a selective few? To put it another way, are you a racial segregationist just like Dalai Lama? Do you subscribe to the notion of one race/ethnicity one nation?

 

You seem to think I'm blaming the Chinese government, I don't have a problem with them, they are a mixture of the powerful and the rich, those who set policy and those who benefit from policy and in certain ways oppress the poor. But that's the way it is in every country, including the US. Also, it's not like it is impossible for a Chinese to make the jump from poor to rich, it's much harder than it is here, it might take more than one generation, but it can be done (the easiest way right now is to get to a city, get your children educated, then have those children leave China).

My problem is with the educated people amongst the poor in China. These people should be able to see through the BS and become better leaders, instead they fan the flames of hatred toward their brothers and sisters. I read a post on a Chinese message board the other day that was titled "not my race, lets kill them" (bad translation), a famous saying in China directed at the Japanese, and later the Western world, now directed at the ethnic minorities by the Han. This post is from an educated, intelligent person, it echoes the feelings of most educated Han Chinese.

As far as the Chinese government: I think Deng was an incredible leader with great vision. He righted the country after a great tragedy and his economic vision was great. His economic reforms and his support of the shift from state to private owned businesses pushed China to a modern country.

As far as human rights and equality, I think that sometimes those have to be sacrificed to get what you want as a government. The American government didn't talk about human rights when they were killing the natives and taking their land. I'm ok with the Chinese government and human rights up to a point.

 

Well, I think you sum it pretty well. The roots of many problems in China are in essence wealth disparities and de facto classicism. Better economic upward mobility remains the key to the long term stability of China.