Thanks, I was just about to insert a "Bring back V-Span" theme to complete the meltdown. [Edit] Dang it, I just realized I now owe R2K an apology........I just played BBS cop....man, I am slipping. DD
Oh, then your thought should actually be phrased in this way: "Even though the N word is racially-charged, it is racist only if it is used in an unfriendly context." I see. Very nice. So you are trying to telling us that words do not convey ideas. Do you even know what you are talking about? LOL. Your Junior High School teacher should have done a better job. You failed.
After 3 pages of discussion, you still do not get it. *sigh* What you said is true if the term does not have a historical background in it to insult a specific race of people (i.e. Asians). I would agree with you if you are just talking about the common insulting terms like a$$hole, idiot, moron, r****d, etc. I have been called those names (mostly by friends) before and I had just laughed it off if they were not used in a hating context. But here we are discussing a derogatory term which has historical background in it to insult the Asians. Can you tell the difference now? Have I made it clear enough for you now? Do you need further help?
Well, when he posted the squinty eye stuff, you defended it by saying that people shouldn't be offended because Asians DO have narrow eyes. So he was perpetuating stereotypes.
You have your right to make up your own obscure definition. But I would rather believe the dictionary.com than an unknown person with the screen name durvasa. Once again, you failed.
Black people typically have dark skin. Not all do, but most. If I quickly drew a face to represent some black person, and I used dark brown crayon to fill it in, are people going to be offended by that? I understand you correctly, that would also be a stereotype since I'm perpetuating the idea that black people have dark skin. Turning back to the thread topic, did anyone happen to notice Yao's signaling with his eyes against Clippers? I couldn't watch the game yesterday.
Words are used to convey ideas. So are facial expressions. So are hand gestures. But the idea a word (or expression, or gesture) conveys depends, quite obviously, on the situation or context in which its used. If I utter some random sound, and it happens to be a curse word in another language, did I just have the idea of cursing someone out? If we want to completely ignore context and say, flatly, that words = ideas, then I guess so. Of course, that's a totally ridiculous conclusion to draw. You really want to continue with this?
I have the reliable and authoritative source dictionary.com to back up my definition. You have your own make-up definition to try to hang on in order to make the last post. Anyone with half a brain can tell who is the troll here. And why do you feel the need to make me out like I am the one who tries to divert this thread? I thought you could do better than that. You started this 'discussion' by trying to defend someone who made a racist joke. I have been trying to educate you the fact that 'slit eyes' has it's historical background in it and that's why it is a racially derogatory term to the Asians. It is you who try to keep spinning the definitions of various terms to hang on in order to make the last post. Who is the one who tries to continue this and divert the thread? Look in the mirror and you will see him.
The thing is, squinty eyes is not a feature of being Asian. That is the stereotype. I don't understand why you are defending stupidity so adamantly.
If you drew a big nose and big lips on your picture depicting a black person, that would be offensive. Same as depicting an Asian with slanted eyes. Get it? If he wrote something about Asians having straight black hair, and brown eyes, or something like that, it wouldn't be offensive.
You're telling me that Asians (i.e. Yao's race -- Mongoloid) don't typically have "squinty" eyes? Maybe your definition of squinty and my definition of squinty are different. I'm referring to the fold on the upper eye lid that is typical of Yao's race (you know ... this). It's not something negative. It's not something to be ashamed of. It's simply a physical trait. All I'm saying is a guy who made a politically incorrect racial joke did not deserve this as a response: [rquoter] Wow this thread is dumb as **** and its getting borderline racist. I really hope you're not Asian cuz its one thing if other races make fun of you but for you to do it to yourself makes you a disgrace to your race. Have some pride in your heritage and stop degrading yourself in front of all these redneck scumbags letting them think its okay to laugh at your expense. Grow some balls and get some self esteem u pu$$y. [/rquoter] I am kind of curious why you are defending that response so adamantly.
I'm trying to wrap my brain around this. Black people, characteristically, have different physical traits when it comes to their nose and lips compared to white people. Same with East Asians and their eyes. Do you mean that I should purposely ignore that difference in my depiction? That I should just pretend that a typical black person and a typical white person have the same looking nose and mouth? And how did you decide that differences in skin color is ok to represent, but not eyes, nose, and lips?
I was not offended by Asian Sensations post. I was offended that someone would defend it when someone else got upset about it. <img src="http://www.rapleagues.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=21160&stc=1"> durvasa: "black people shouldn't be offended because they do have big lips! they should be proud of it!" <img src="http://linuxgazette.net/issue78/misc/alcidi/redflag_geek.jpg" durvasa: asians shouldn't be offended! they should be proud! That is basically what you are saying, and that is offensive.
Why are you comparing all races to white people? So you think that white people the master race or something?
He's not saying Yao is from Mongolia. He's saying Yao is of Mongoloid origin. Which is in fact true. Also, that person who called me a pu$$y, a disgrace and told me to grow some balls was more than upset. Durvasa defended me saying that my original post was a joke which indeed was just a joke and not meant to be taken literally. You guys are blowing things out of proportion, making false accusations and digging too deep. Let it go.
That's not what Mongoloid means. Yao is East Asian. You want to pretend that East Asian, as a race, do not have distinctive eyes. You are simply wrong. And I never said that it's ok to represent blacks or Chinese people like in those pictures you posted above. Those are purposely distorted representations to make them look sub-human, and that's wrong. You can represent and acknowledge the differences amongst races in an honest way. It sound before like you want to completely ignore the differences when it comes to eyes, nose, etc. like they don't exist. To me, that's offensive. By denying the differences, you are implying that there's something wrong in being different.
like I said, I was not offended by your post. I know it was a joke. what I am offended by is someone saying that asian caricatures are no big deal and that asians should in fact be proud of them.
