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Yao should sit the next two weeks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by studogg, Dec 22, 2002.

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  1. lancet

    lancet Contributing Member

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    In the 5-game road trip to the west, Yao was clearly tired. It was his first 10-day road game trip. He was breathing hard like hell after the opening 3 minutes against the Warrior.

    But I don't think he is that tired right now. Back-to-back game is always demanding. He seems clearly has more stamina now than he was during the 5-game road trip.
     
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    Yao Ming is 22 years old and were barely a third of the way through the season. Michael Jordan, Karl Malone and John Stockton are the combined ages of entire teams and they aren't getting a two week break until they retire. The whole team is tired. I don't mind a reduction in minutes in some situations, especially back to back games, but like it, or not, Ming is going to be on the court.
     
  3. zenkle

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    Actually your disagreement just made the oppsite point. I'm afraid, just because Yao is so happy to enjoy the joy in the basketball court that he sacrisfices a lot of other necessities, i.e. leisure, rest and normal life hours. If a video-game-fanatic boy play XBOX for 20 hours in front of the tv, the mom will not ask "boy, do your feel tired? If you do, perhaps you should have a rest." All the mom will do is to drag him out of the TV, and throw the kid onto the bed.

    But Rudy is not the mom, as the standing of rox weighes a lot to him. What he will do is just ask Yao "boy, do you feel tired? If you do, perhaps you should have rest". Yao may not be identical to that spoiled little game fanatic. But he does love the game. Moreover, he has much more responsibility for helping the team out, and for defending the supports from 300 million Chinese basketball fans. He will not say "I am tired" until he exhausts the last litre gas in the tank and damages part of his machinery. Is it too late to say stop in that moment?

    Yao never had some time to incorporate him into the American culture. Always training-game-training-game. Damn, why not give this kid some leisure. Even from the humanity ponit of view!!

    Now Yao's mom is really worry about his health. Should we listen to the worry of a mom? Do you think all the worries showed from your mom is WRONG? Mom is always the person who most understand their kids. It is always easier to save a machine when a screw is loose than half of it is damaged. The same to Yao Ming.
     
  4. zenkle

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    Jordnan, Malone and Stockton ALL have their summer time!! But do you know that Yao didn't have one day off in the past three summers? Yes, I am saying that the officers of Chinese Basketball Association are EVIL!! Yao implied that he is tired in the interview with the media for one thousand times in China, but the top officers never rested him in any summer. If Rox really want to make good use of Yao, give him some rest some time in the season is compulsory. All the NBA players have some interests in the spare time. But listen to Yao. He said he just want sleep because he is so tired. He has a class manner. But he still mentioned the insufficient rest for him. I regard it as a obvious signal. Or you think he is a person full of complaints??
     
  5. The Cat

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    1. When exactly has he not concentrated?
    2. Yao has shot 55% from the field and 90% from the line.
    3. So do hundreds of other NBA players. That's basketball. If you aren't tired, something's wrong.

    And yes, I watched the game.
     
  6. The Cat

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    this from the last week, since he's supposedly "become tired"
     
  7. zenkle

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    You are absolutely right.... Actually all the level-headed Chinese all disagree the arrangement of Chinese Basketball Association for Yao. They require him to play Asian Cup in the summer!! Damn, who cares the crap Asian Cup. Even Chinese Basketball Team topped the Asian Cup for one million times, so what!? We will still lose to American Dream Team for another one million times, if no Chinese player can accomplish some improving programme in the summer.

    But you know in China. The victory in Asian Cup can really add some sliding poise for the promotion of the bureaucratic top-sport-leaders. And this is the reason why the conflict emerged between Wang Zhizhi and Chinese Basketball Team. Just because Wang Zhizhi want to improve himself in American summer league. He promised he will definitely played for China in the WC, but he was kicked out from the team because he cannot promise he will play for the Asian Cup. All Wang Zhizhi want to do is to practise himself in a better environment and then to help Chinese Basketball Team out in the WC. But he cannot played in the WC just because he cannot promise the serve in the stupid Asian Cup!!?? Now do you think Yao will evade the Asian Cup in next summer? I really think the possibility is no more than 0.00%
     
  8. zenkle

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    But the claim is not from a hundreds of other NBA players, it is from Yao. If Ben Wallace is hacked in the game like what Yao suffered, he will definitely kill the person. But when Yao was hacked for one thousands times in the game, he never complained. Because he has the class. Regarding such a gentle kid, do you think he will complain if there is nothing really wrong?

    After he was hacked by Bradley after the game VS Pacers, he said "I don't think he meaned to hit me. It just happened and it is basketball."

    But he announced or at least implied for many times "I am tired."

    I don't know how tired he is. But I know the situation is at least 100 times worse than he was hacked in the game. Otherwise, he will never say it. Do you really think he just wanted to cheat some sympathy from coach to have a holiday in Hawaii??
     
  9. The Cat

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    He probably talks so much because the media bugs him about it nonstop the way you guys do on the BBS. What is he supposed to say, that he's not tired? Of course he's a little fatigued, he's played year-round basketball. The question is whether or not he can play through it, and he obviously can.

    Rudy knows this team better than any of us, whether you want to admit it or not. Rudy is not going to put our future at risk. If he thinks Yao needs rest, he'll get it. And I trust his judgement, seeing and talking to him every day, more than any fan who is trying to go by media quotes.

    If Yao's production drops, then is the time to ponder giving him a rest or reduction in minutes. However, as long as he's producing and not telling Rudy that he needs rest, you'd be a fool not to play him.
     
  10. Yao1134

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    are u kidding. he needs to indure this. he is a rookie. never played nba or american ball for that matter before. he needs to get used to all the running and dunking thats not in the other leagues. its good for him trust me. especially if we make the playoffs. hes got the mentality...I WONT LET MY TEAM LOSE!. so he will get used to all the long minutes
     
  11. ASIA

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    It's obvious Yao is tired and even his Mom says so. It's not that he's dead tired but it's probably keeping him from performing 100%. You people will know if you lift weights or play somekind of sports. A lot of people here think they know everything when they never play a sports in their lives. Playing day in and day out cause a lot of stress on a person's body. If you have a minor wears and tears in your body and keep on playing, your wears and tears either won't recover or will get worse and that will soon lead to injury.

    This is not the greatest example but try taking Steve Francis compact 6'3"body and stress it to 7' and that will stress his ligament, bones and tendon and making it weaker and more prone to injuries. But the good thing is that Yao body is well proportionally with his large tree trunks like legs and not some freakish like Manute Bol.

    By the way, someone here said that Jordan been playing all his lives and there's nothing wrong with him. You're wrong! Jordan's knees injury was initially diagnosed as tendinitis.

    Another thing is that people shouldn;t worry about Yao's health because the Rockets should have a very professional trainers and know what they doing.

    Here something interesting for people who's interested into reading more about overuse injury.

    Q.What is an overuse injury?

    A.Overuse injuries are very common in today's athletic population. They can be defined as repetitive microtrauma, which is above the level of the involved tissue to adapt. Tendons are the most common tissue affected. A tendon is the structure that attaches muscle to bone. If a tendon is affected the term commonly used is tendinits. The term "itis" signifies inflamation of the involved tissue, and is used to describe inflamation in many tissues and organs in the body.

    Microtruama is damage to a tissue at the microscopic level. This usually is caused by repetitive loads to the involved tissue that is over the threshold of the ability of that tissue to heal. This most commonly occurs in tendons (tendinitis) or bone (stress fractures).

    Overuse injuries are more common as a population ages. This is thought to be secondary to the stiffening of the tissue as one ages. However, overuse injuries can occur in any age group, and are becoming more common in children as their level of organized sport activity increases.

    Stress fractures occur when the bone is injured at a faster rate than the body can make new bone or heal the involved area. This is often seen in distance runners who overtrain.

    Q.What are some of the most common overuse injuries?

    A.Listed below are the most common upper and lower extremity overuse injuries:

    Upper extremity (arms, elbows, shoulders):


    Rotator cuff (Shoulder)

    The rotator cuff is composed of four muscles that many help with shoulder rotation and stabilization. Overuse injuries to the rotator cuff are very common. They occur in patients who do repetitive overhead or throwing activities. Patients will develop tendinitis or inflamation of the bursa above the rotator cuff tendons(bursitis). Athletes affected with this problem will complain of pain with overhead activities. Swimmers or throwers who are overtraining may develop this problem.


    Tennis elbow (Elbow)

    Defined as an overuse injury to the extensor tendons of the wrist at the attachment on the lateral side of the elbow. This is commonly seen in raquet sports or other sports that require repetitive gripping. Athletes will complain of pain while gripping with the involved extremity.


    Lower extremity (Legs, knees, ankles)


    Jumper's knee
    This is overuse of the patellar and or quadriceps tendons. It most frequently seen is sports such as basketball and volleyball that involves repetitive jumping and cutting. It can range from an aggravating pain to a disabling problem. Patients complain of pain most commonly around the attachment of these tendons on the patella.


    Achilles tendonitis

    Often seen in runners who are overtraining . Athletes complain of pain in the achilles tendon with activity. It is often caused with improper shoewear or poor training techniques.


    Q.How are overuse injuries treated?

    A. Rest is an important factor. However, complete rest may not be necessary. Heat before activity along with a good slow warm-up, activity within the limits of pain, and then ice for 20-30 minutes after activity are good rules of thumb. Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen or naproxen sodium may also help. Stretching of the involved area several times per day may help. Neoprene sleeves, which are commonly available at most sporting goods stores can help by keeping the injured area warmer. If the athlete has persistent symptoms after the above methods are tried, a visit to a physician may be indicated.

    Q. How can I prevent overuse injuries?

    A.Overuse injuries can best be prevented by a careful training program, which slowly progresses in intensity. The athlete should maintain good flexibility and strength. It is important to go through a ten minute warm up before activity and a several minute cool down period afterwards. When an activity becomes painful, back off. One of the best ways to get an overuse injury is to train in pain. If the pain progressively worsens over several days, then you should modify the training program with cross training and/or rest.
     
  12. DAROckets

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    I think I'll get my mom to call work for me monday and tell them I'm just really tired.I have been working day in and day outand if I can just sit out the next few projects..I'm sure I'll be able to commit 100%.
     
  13. zenkle

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    If your absence in this few projects can inspire a much better performance afterwards, not only just compensate the loss, but result in more guaranteed profits, why not? The only difficulty is only about the persuading your boss. But at least your reasons for your rest can definitely be legitimized.
     
  14. RIET

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    I think this thread distinguishes the Yao Only Fans from the Rockets fans.

    Theoretically, a lot of players should rest to perserve and extend their careers. Emmitt Smith when he beat the Eagles with a separated shoulder, Willis Reed playing on 1 knee, etc. etc etc.

    There will be 4 games in the next 14 days. Thats not a lot.

    During that stretch he should be able to pickup a lot of days to recuperate.

    The Rockets cannot afford to lose these upcoming games to conference foes like Utah.
     
  15. Kurupt the Kingpin

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    Actually, guys like Kobe Bryant and Tracy McGrady have completely eliminated pickup games from their summer schedule. Iverson doesn't touch a basketball in the summer (practice...). Jason Kidd made a change and took this past summer off because his body simply needed the rest. We are talking about some of the best basketball players in the world here, all of them two guards or a point, all in their prime or even before their prime, and they already are making the necessary steps to preserve themselves for a long NBA career.

    Now we have Yao Ming: he's a rookie, he's 7'6, he's played non-stop competitive basketball throughout the past couple summers, and he's getting beat up everyday in the NBA. Plus, this guy has to deal with the pressure of the media and everything else that goes along with being one of the most celebrated athletes to enter the league in years.

    It's easy to say, "suck it up", or "we shouldn't have drafted him if he can't handle it". But it's much more complicated than that. You can't be near-sighted and then risk having an ineffective Yao come playoff time, or worse, mess up this guy's career.
     
  16. Behad

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    A quote from today's Chronicle:

    "Where do we go from here?" Francis said after playing four games in six nights. "We rest. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm definitely tired. I'm going to rest and get ready for Utah."


    I guess we should give Francis a two week vacation as well.
     
  17. zenkle

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    I don't see any contradiction between what you defined "Yao Only Fans" and "Rockets Fans". Actually their interests in this part is simply identical. Give Yao a bit more rest = maximize his efficiency = more contribution to the Rockets.

    I am a Yao fan, but also a Rockets fan. I would not prefer the game VS Dallas even Yao scored 30, but I cannot appreciate Yao's poor perfromance in some Rockets victories as well. If Rockets don't want to put some bets on the playoff, then fine. Just let Yao play continuously. He will have enough rest after the playoff first round anyway. But I expect a 100% perfomance Yao in Rockets in the playoff. I don't think it will be any detrimental to Rockets at all.
     
  18. zenkle

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    I just cannot understand why people always come out with these improper comparison. Is Francis a rookie? Is Francis not fully adapted to the NBA game? Is Francis still uncomfortable with these tough hustling and defending of NBA? More importantly, didn't Francis have not even one day off in the past two summers?

    If the answers are "YES", why not give Francis two weeks rest?
     
  19. RIET

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    The reason I think this entire thread is inane is because we play so few games over the next 2 weeks.

    I don't know how long some of you have followed the NBA, but 4 games in 14 days is nothing.

    The average NBA team plays about 4 games in 7 days. So yes, he will be taking a break.
     
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    Because the Rockets would then lose almost every game and have a very hard time making the playoffs. Im sorry, and I dont mean this in a bad way, but do you even watch basketball?
     

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