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Yao= reduced offensive role?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FishBulb913, Oct 26, 2007.

  1. abc2007

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    20+ pts, 10+ rbs, 3+ assists
     
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    Did he say he has a feeling of Divac and Brad Miller when hes at the high post?
    Now thats what Im worried about.
    Yao>both of them combine. and yao isnt known as a good passer.

    Nothing against Adelman, but if Yao gets downgraded to Dvac or Brad Miller's level I dont see we can win it all.
     
  3. abcdef

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    Yeah.... that interview wasn't exactly what I wanted to hear.

    What he said exactly was that when he is on the perimeter, he will find the touch like Divac and Brad Miller, so that's not exactly negative (he wants to shoot well on the perimeter), but I really, really don't want to hear Divac/Miller mentioned in conjunction with Yao.
     
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    um, that yao didn't create one bit or drew any double teams bro. don't compare this yao ming to 3 yrs ago. 2 completely different players.
     
  5. howe070523

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    Exactly.
    Coach A never had this much talent before n he shud really adjust his tactic a bit to maximize the potential of each players. I wasnt worried even when Yao had those two bad games --- after this interviewed Im worried as much as everyone. If Adelman wants Yao to play like Dvac and B.Miller, then its gonna be the biggest waste of talent ever.

    YAO, stay in the low post and bang them over!
     
  6. abcdef

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    My thoughts exactly. That's why I was against Adelman from the beginning.
     
  7. anon3803

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    Really? I guess everyone who raves about his passing must be fools. Yao's passing ability is excellent for a center. The biggest things that people talked about when he was drafted from China was his shot-blocking, agility, and his passing. His low-post scoring ability was all really developed here. IMO, his passing is underrated, and he will flourish in this offense going through him in the high post.
     
  8. howe070523

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    Honestly Im still on the Adelmanwagon, I just hope hes not as stubborn as JVG was so that Rockets dont turn into a poor man's Sacramento Kings.
     
  9. doublehh03

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    then who do u want yao to play under?

    even popovich brings duncan out a few times to open up the space for his guards and allow duncan to play facilitator at times.

    hell, even phil moves shaq out to the high post 7-8 possessions a game so they can run discrete plays for kobe involving shaq (shaq-kobe connection).

    really what's wrong w/ yao playing in the high post 9-10 possesions a game out of 50-60 possesions that he's in there for => 15-20% of the time. 80% he'll be in the post.

    adelman will benefit yao b/c yao didn't do ANYTHING for this offense if we play teams w/ swarming defenses like warriors or suns and JVG did NOTHING to adjust. he kept posting yao up and he either turns it over, can't get the bal...

    when we play those teams, it's apt to put yao out in the high post more to confuse them then bring him back in the post.

    that's all it is. a change up during the part of the game so defenses can't just play yao the same way and eventually predict his moves as the game progresses. yao only has so many moves in the post.
     
  10. Jonhty

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    he said he will find the feel that Divac and Brad played at the high post with, when he's at the high post.
    he also said he talked with RA about him being at the high post a bit too much, a concern CD shared. and RA basically replied you'll play in the low post most of time when the regular season starts.
    to be fair, Divac almost won it all. if Yao can be Divac plus some of his usual low-post self, there's no reason he can't win it all.
     
  11. howe070523

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    Its called promotion :D
    I hope ur right.
    :)
     
  12. howe070523

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    The problem is Divac didnt win it all. He also wasnt even remotely considered the best Center in the league as well as Brad Miller. Theres no one on Kings has the talent that Tmac/Yao has.

    anyway, as long as Yao at the low post most of the time and Tmac doesnt jack up those ridiculous jumpers, Im cool.
     
  13. doublehh03

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    i think u forgot a guy named webber, who was considered on par w/ kg and duncan for a 2 yr span where he put up stats like 27, 12, and 5.

    bibby was one of the clutchest players in the entire league (he destroyed the lakers repeatedly in the playoffs) and even outshot kobe in the clutch.

    they should have beaten the lakers one year (that horry shot miss => 3-1 kings going back to sacto).

    that kings team is one of the best teams i've seen that should have reached the finals.

    sometimes u have bad luck. we've had bad luck w/ injuries.

    but overall, tmac/yao >>> webber/bibby. but the talent/chemistry around those 2 were great. if the talent/chemistry around tmac/yao are just as good, we'll be dominating.
     
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    My bad, thank you for pointing that out.
    I dont think chemistry is a problem between Tmac/Yao. Im more concerned about how M.James and Francis get along with each other in this case.
    But really, I hope ur right.
    :)
     
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    i didn't say the chemistry b/t tmac/yao. i said the chemistry AROUND tmac and yao, and that means how james/scola/francis/bonzi play around those 2: can they elevate their individual games to impact the final results in a positive light.

    if so, we might go very far.

    i don't think any team is as deep and good as us 1-10. and we'll probably only use 8.5 players and we have the best 8.5 player rotation in this league.
     
  16. anon3803

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    Yeah, I think chemistry is a big question mark. However, Francis does have a friend in Yao that could placate him if he gets disgruntled, and hopefully, Adelman can keep a handle on Bonzi. Both may ride the pine, but are willing make the sacrifice IMO.

    James may be better than Francis at this point in their careers, but he's the one I'm most worried about if he gets benched for long stretches. From the interviews I've of him in Minnesota, I find that he's a VERY self-interested player. For Mike James, only Mike James comes first. This was the main reason I was supportive of the SF trade. I can see Mike James taking off in two years once his value is back up. I can also see him throwing a fit if Adelman doesn't give him the minutes to showcase his talents and increase bargaining power.
     
  17. JSub

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    MY POST TO SUMMARIZE IT ALL:

    First of all, Yao Ming's points will remain the same, if not increase, since the offense will run through him every since half court set. Adleman's not stupid. Yao Ming is our most efficient scorer and coach will only broaden him game with more scoring opportunities and choices (i.e. outside shots).

    As for him being in the high post, that will be for conserving his energy time to time and prevent teams from ganging up on him in the low post. By being in the high post at times, Yao will be the ball facilitator for cutters and whatnot, so his assists numbers are going up. If he can average 2 assists in JVG's stagnant offense, there's not reason he cant average double that amount for the season.

    Lastly, with high octane offense, expect way more shots to be taken, thus keeping his rebound average around the same, if not slightly better (since Luis will be grabbing his share of boards.

    This is Yao Ming's MVP season, assuming he says healthy and in shape. There's no way the Rockets will win when he's averaging a meager 15 ppg. I predict 25/10/3.5assists/2blocks for the season. These are not lofty numbers to achieve. Those numbers will jump in the playoffs when most of the plays are half court sets.
     
  18. cjstukenholtz

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    May I add Ralph Sampson as well?

    My feeling is that if Yao was to play out in the high post too much, he might remind us too much of what Ralph Sampson did too much of the time on the offensive end, which was diddle with the ball in the backcourt rather than wrestle it out with the bigs under the basket to establish position and provide an inside game, which is something that centers are paid to do.

    Yes, Yao does get banged around quite a bit, but that is something most other centers had to deal with in their careers, right? All I can say is if he plays out in the high post too much, then I might feel inclined to start a thread titled "Is Yao Reminding Us Too Much of Ralph Sampson Right Now?"
     
  19. doublehh03

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    we can only hope that is the case
     
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