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Yao on the Rockets: "I think we were cocky."

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JeffB, Feb 3, 2004.

  1. New Jack

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    Would you rather he pamper the players and makes excuses for them so they can push him around and take advantage of him like they did to Rudy?
     
  2. Roc Paint

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    It wouldn't hurt Ming if he got a little cocky, would it?
     
  3. TheFreak

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    If you say so...I don't know if I'd call not giving your best for a boss you hate being 'heartless' however. Since we're so fond of making comparisons to real world jobs today - it would be comparable to slacking off because you hate your job. Not exactly the same as heartless.
     
  4. boiler

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    I saw what Yao said after the game in a Chinese news website. I think the better tranlation should be "complacent" instead of "cocky".
     
  5. TheFreak

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    This isn't about what I would rather...I was just speculating on the players' mindsets, based on the performance I saw and the events of the week.

    Also, what you call 'pamper', others might call 'treating them like men'.
     
  6. robbarnett

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    the rockets problem key seems to be summed up in the first two words of the thread I Think........ The Rockets, especially Yao, spend too much time thinking about what is and isnt working and over analyising things instead of just letting the game come to them and playing in the natural flow and rhythm of the game.
     
  7. Charvo

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    The assumption is that a pass first point guard might cost around $2-3 million maximum. If Cato and Steve are traded, that's approximately $15-16 million of players who will be added to the offense. $15-16 million is a lot of money in player contracts that can be taken back.
     
  8. DreamWeaver

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    Now that I have time to re-read what Yao said, I am even more amazed.

    What exactly has this team accomplished thus far to be "cocky" or "complacent"? :confused:
     
  9. DreamWeaver

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    Word.

    I am going to share that with my boss in my next performance review. ;)
     
  10. Roc Paint

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    That's the million dollar question.
     
  11. MFW2310

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    So, um, after a tough loss in a middle of a 4 game losing streak, instead of blaming our "Franchaise player" who ditched us, we blame our coach. Nice!!! No wonder Rudy got sick. :rolleyes:
     
  12. JeffB

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    I am willing to buy your take with regard to JVG. But how does that explain these same Rockets under Rudy? He never called them heartless in the papers. Yet he still got pretty much the same results and effort JVG is getting despite these guys' proclamations that they wanted to play for Rudy. Maybe this cast of characters is just a plain old bunch of knuckle heads and it doesn't matter who the coach is.
     
  13. Roc Paint

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    Welcome to the world of the modern day athlete. Jeff Van Gudy doesn't "get it" and most people around here don't get it either.

    I think it's time to get a good ego stroker around here. Ya'll would be amazed at how quickly this team would turn around.

    Isn't life a *****?

    :)
     
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  14. Uprising

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    This isn't a bash Yao thread. It's more of a reality thread. There are some great posts in here discussing the problems with this team. We should not just post up Yao every possession. When Yao was having his hot hand he took a lot of outside shots.

    Teams have now figured how to take our bigman out of the game. They just run, and run, and run. Yao can not keep up with the running game. He gets fatigued fairly quickly.

    Also teams now front Yao when he posts because it is the same post over and over so they can predict what will happen. And yao seems a little too passive when the double team comes. I wish he could split the double teams, kind of like MO did a number of times last night.

    I hope SF comes back with a better attitude. I want to see this team back into the winning mentality. They have played VERY poor the last 4 games.

    It's definetly not all Yao's fault. It's the entire team. They have all played poor basketball. Cat needs to drop his slump, and SF needs to be more mature. SF cost us the last game. I miss our "killer" D.



    I would like to refer to the tough loss last night as the END of a 4 game skid. ;) not middle. I really don't want to lose 9 games in a row.
     
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  15. fanwq

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    Fowling reasons why Rockets hard to earn playoff berth.
    1- Key
    mental, spirit problem.Example-Steve' insisting on waching Super Bowl.(If you Steve worked hard and concentrate on basketball,all Super bowl's fan would changed to your fans.)
    2-PF.anbury of Rockets.
    3-Bench deepth.Not like Kings strong bench players(JJ example).
    I think JVG has to take some trade to lead the Rockets to success.
     
  16. ROCS4LIFE

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    i'll say it again. Rockets need to trade Francis. He is no leader, just a show off player that thinks for himself not his teammates.
     
  17. daRox

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    The problem is Jeff Van Gundy. The guy is cold. I think there might be a friction between the players and the coach. Seriously, if I were to play for a guy who never give you credit, subconsciously, I don't want to do well for him. So what we win a few games? Mostly due to the players' talents and the time they've played together. Am I the only one who sees that JVG is NOT what this team needs? I'm not saying Rudy is the best coach for us. I want a coach that gives players credit when they win games and can be harsh at the same time. I want a coach that treat his players like his sons...I don't know what I'm saying...forget it!!
     
  18. Texas Stoke

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    Gotta love them JVG haters who give all the credit to the players when the Rockets play well and lay all the blame on JVG when the Rockets play poorly.
     
  19. saleem

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    Athletic teams will always try to play at a fast pace. The Rockets must slow them down by working hard on defense and execute well rather than trying to match their speed.
     
  20. MFW2310

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    So we have a popular coach like Rudy and that doesn't work, then we have a strict coach with a work ethci like JVG and that doesn't work, what will work? What does that say about these players.

    I must admit I've been unrightfully harsh on Rudy last season. I thought he undercoached this team, which though true, I can now see where he's coming from. If even JVG can't get them to work, why should Rudy even bother to try?

    I'm not trying to kick a dog while he's down. OK, so Steve made a mistake, even if you assume it's a light mistake, does he deserve to pay for it? Absolutely. I don't think I would have said anything if Steve just took his suspension and then came back next game and PLAYED. I would have just KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT and drank my beer and not made a big deal out of it.

    What made me absolutely pissed is people trying to make lousy excuses for him, going as far as to bash our coach, who in my opinion has been nothing but professional. So it's our coach's fault our MAX player doesn't want to play? GET F3CKIN' REAL.
     

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