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Yao needs to concentrate on Defense and Rebounding

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Nov 5, 2008.

  1. ronnymac

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    Stop embrassing youre'self
     
  2. count_dookoo

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    (and the sad thing is that neither our other forwards didn't seem capable of doing a passable job on the boards)
     
  3. DaRock1

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    Before you tell other people not to embarrass themselves, you should make sure not to embarrass yourself first.

    By the way, are you going to keep your promise to put $100 into the tip jar?
     
  4. Sym0™

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    Its true he does need some improvement on the bored and defense.

    Im just wondering if he duz go up to contest layups and stuff sometimes cuz of his height. And if he gets worried about being called for goaltending :confused:
     
  5. getRED2008

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    lol, cmon man, u think he still has chances to improve? yao is yao, he was neverh good at Defense and Rebounding and will not be good in the future. the only thing he can improve is DUNK ffs.
     
  6. Alvin Choo

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    yeap, i just find the games via

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl_finder.cgi?player=olajuha01

    If you reread my post you will note that i have included a 2nd game. And why i put in the first game, well, dream got 12 points and 7 rebounds. And rebounding is one of the section you been touching on.

    Glen baby? What about Andrew Lang(Sop player who average 4.8 boards in his career), Kurt Rambis(a 6"8 forward who average 5.6 boards in his career) and Mark West(career high in rebounds that year) getting a total of 28 rebounds as well as scoring 67% of their shots, as i cant find the article, (you got to teach me how to do that, i can spend the whole day just reading up on this reports.), stats wise his not showing any defense. How i deduce is by looking at the 130 point score against him, and him registering 1 steal and 0 blocks.

    Actually, there is a high number of game where he did not get more than 1 steal/block. But since he score a ton on those games, i let it pass.

    Let me say this, i will not compare dream to yao. Dream is just at another level. His consistency, toughness and skill is just amazing. Whats even more amazing is that, he as a Muslim, he will play 1 month of the season while fasting.

    Reason why i put dream here, well, i just want to say that, its only 1 game. Yao is trying too hard at the offensive end, which mess up his DEFENSIVE effort. He pretty much admits it himself, so why the continuous bashing of him? I did not see tmac came and say he got to do better defensively, or artest came out and say he got to take higher percentage shots.

    So let me do this slow, so you will not misunderstand what i say, or just take part of my post and repeat it to me.

    YAO... played bad last night.... very very bad..... let him go home.... rest.... and do what he been doing every game...... one of the best defensive center today...
     
  7. tinman

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    Alvin,

    Thank you. You have inadvertently proved my point. You can google stats all you want, you will never know what happened unless you WATCH THE BASKETBALL GAME. What happens when someone is too scared to drive the ball in the lane because Hakeem is in the middle? does that stat show up?

    For Football, Deion Sanders was so good, nobody passed in his direction, does that stat show up?

    And you brought up your own point to discredit your first point. There is no stat showing Hakeem played while fasting.

    Kurt Rambis? you know what team that guy played on? Hint. They had the best point guard of all time on that team.

    My point is I've never seen Dream ever let up on defense despite having foul problems, he'll ALWAYS protect the basket. Does that have to show a stat?

    When Yao just stands there and doesn't put his arms up. that's what i'm talking about. I don't care about his missed dunks. Apparently all of you do care about it.

    But thanks again Alvin. you gave me ideas. you gave me the idea that if people don't watch the game believe they know more than people who actually saw the game, you can EASILY weed them out.

    Alvin Choo...clutchfan that gives people ideas :D
     
  8. T_Man

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    Good Read Tinman,

    But let me add on to your statement.... Yao can make life a lot easier on himself once he learns how to pass the ball back out and repost back in the paint to get a better position. It seems that most Post guys (other than tTm Duncan) have no ideal of passing the ball backout to repost their position.

    If you look at the games now, Yao is like a black hole... Once he gets the ball he shoots almost 90% of the time. He has to learn how to use his teammates, this will make things a lot easier on him.

    There are a lot of things that you can do when your shot is off.

    1) Plat defense
    2) Rebound
    3) Set your teammates up by passing or setting picks.
     
  9. FlawZero

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    I was really pissed because last game was the first game I had the time to watch this season and Yao had such a terrible game. At times I missed JVG who would have yelled at him. However Yao is hash on himself more than anyone else so I don't doubt he'll try his best to come back and revenge. I have to say that Boston's D was really good though. I just hope this isn't the start of Yao going downhill, since he still got a lot to prove especially in the playoffs. Now I feel that I really need to make a plan to fly to Houston and watch a live Rockets game before Yao gets too old.

    Go Rockets. Go Yao.
     
  10. rocketsregle

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    Alvin Choo, what you don’t know is that people have selective memory and swear up and down they never saw it happen but it did. Dream sometimes would have to simmer down his defensive intensity when he was in foul trouble too but you will never see anyone admit it here. It’s the nature of the beast … Players get in foul trouble early in the game and they sacrifice some things defensively to stay on the court. Hakeem was not the only star player to not do it when necessary. He was the team, so if foul trouble kept him off the court the team usually was in trouble. Thing is though he would usually pick up his defensive intensity to normal levels toward the end of the game. Something I don’t remember Yao doing in the fourth quarter.
     
  11. tinman

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    reocketsregle,

    In Alvin's specific example. Dream had 5 fouls, yet still had 3 blocks and 2 steals vs the Spurs on the road against David Robinson.

    Yao simmer downed his defense after having only 2 fouls. Ron Artest had 5 fouls, he's still going hard and howling.

    maybe its selective memory, but i don't remember him not even putting his hands up at the very minimum. I expect more from Yao than that.
     
  12. rocketsregle

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    Ron Artest didn't get most of his fouls all at once like Yao did. Yao got his 3rd foul with 7:56 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. If he would have gotten his fourth early in the third he would have had to sit down again. Dream may have had 5 fouls against David Robinson but how do you know he didn't get the fouls as the game went along versus getting them early and having to simmer down defensively for the sake fo the team for a short while?

    Edit: I also expect alot better from Yao. After about the third made jumper by Perkins, that should have been a cue to start guarding him.
     
  13. tycoonchip

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    I agree with Tinman completely. I am not by any means saying that Yao is a bad player but he definitely could pick it up a few notches in his defence in the paint.
     
  14. tinman

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    Dream sat most of the first half due to foul problems, but his foe, David Robinson didn't play too well either. I'm guessing that they played strong defense against each other, plus both teams clamped down on the other team's center since DRob was the best player on the Spurs and Dream was the best on the Rockets. In the 90s, we know there were lots of double/triple teams used to stop elite Centers and forcing them to pass.

    Hey dream paid him back in 95 ;)


    Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE
    Date: FRI 03/13/1992
    Section: Sports
    Page: 1
    Edition: 2 STAR

    Spurs stymie Olajuwon, Rockets

    By EDDIE SEFKO
    Staff

    SAN ANTONIO -- Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson usually cancel each other out when they play.

    Thursday night, Olajuwon was canceled a little more thoroughly than Robinson. Olajuwon was limited to his worst offensive game in more than two years and the Rockets suffered a 104-98 setback to the Spurs at HemisFair Arena.
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    With Olajuwon and Otis Thorpe battling foul troubles, the Rockets fell behind fast and had their two best offensive weapons on the bench for a good chunk of the half.

    The Rockets nonetheless scored the last nine points of the first half to slice the deficit to 47-36 going into the third quarter.

    Olajuwon, like Robinson, was a complete non-factor in the first half. Neither scored a field goal; Robinson had only two points. Olajuwon had none, and he had zero late in the third quarter.


    That the game was painfully low-scoring to that point should not have been surprising. But when Maxwell knocked in a 3-point shot to start the second half, the Rockets had the gap down to eight points and it didn't go into double digits again in the third quarter.
     
  15. JoeZ

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    I feel most of these post. I wanted to ask If anyone else noticed that most of the starters seemed in slo-motion compared to Artest, Scola, Brooks, Berry? Its like T-mac, Yao and Rafer have a really slow tempo. It looks like they are going through the motions. I know its still early and maybe T-mac is still nursing his knee, But also compared to the Celtics they just didnt look Hungy. Its still early. Can anyone relate to this. If the rox want to win they need to put in the back ups and new guys.

    Thanks
     
  16. rocketsregle

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    Well tinman, I need to watch the game to see where he got his 5 blocked shots. He could have gotten most of them early in the game or was really good at knowing what to let go and what to go after at 100%. I think it is the latter, and Hakeem has Yao beat in that.
     
  17. JoeZ

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    The motivation factor is what im saying.
     
  18. tinman

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    the nba needs to open the vault on all the nba games. there are a bunch of old games that i want to watch again.

    the old early 90s Rockets vs Bulls games would be the equivalent of letting the secrets of area 51 out. the nba doesn't want you to know about it.

    if a whole bunch of yao followers watch hundreds of hakeem games to see if he ever let up on Defense like what Yao did against the Celtics, then it would do them some good.

    Yao even admits he 'hesitated' , but his followers keep denying this. hesitation is mental, not physical, not because he's tired, not because of Rick Adelman, not because of referees..
     
  19. rocketsregle

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    I agree tinman, I would also love to see Maxwell vs Jordan. Like I said in an earlier post, I was very disappointed in him allowing his foul trouble affect his performace. He choose to not play any defense at all versus being selective. He looked like a disinterested zombie on defense letting Perkins shot those wide open jumpers.
     
  20. tinman

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    I believe he will concentrate more and fix his issues after he sees the game tapes. I'm looking forward to the next playoff contender we face.
     

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