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Yao needs to concentrate on Defense and Rebounding

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Nov 5, 2008.

  1. ibm

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    okay, you enticed me right there by "won't think less" of me. :cool: but, do you think i'd really miss a rockets game? especially when it was against the celts?

    the worst defender individually has been mcgrady in all 4 games so far. and this is no bashing of him. he's still got a bad knee. i expect our defense to get a lot better when he fully recovers and when shane comes back.

    perkins hit quite a few jumpers last night. i'd rather view that as an exception rather than the norm. i don't know if yao's reluctance to cover him was a result of scouting on perkins, a result of his 2 early fouls, or a combination of both. but in the end, it was ray allen who killed us in the 4th by his 11 pts (out of his 26 total and celts' fourth quarter total of 22). tell me again who was assigned to cover him?
     
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    no, but ONE person SEVEN AND A HALF FEET TALL can rebound over ONE 6 FOOT 9 BIG BABY OR KENDRICK PERKINS...no excuses, yao should get those boards every time, he even lost rebounds when he had them boxed out..unacceptable
     
  3. Easy

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    I did say that it's a fact Yao sucked last night. Did you read that? I just don't see why you need to start a thread after one poor game.

    I was replying to your thread starting post. You are measuring Yao by Hakeem's standard. I think that's grossly unrealistic. Yao and Hakeem are just physically built differently. And Hakeem is the best center of all time. Playing the same center position does not mean their games should be the same. Might as well judge Artest's game by LeBron's standard.

    If it was TMac, I am pretty sure you would say he was soft in settling for jumpers, and foul trouble was his excuse. ;)
     
  4. cuddie

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    After watching the spirit-crushing video of game 7 again, can anybody really argue that Yao doesn't need to improve his rebounding and aggressiveness? You can say that it's been two years, but those issues are still prevalent today, most notably in last night's game against the Celtics.

    I've heard many players and trainers praise Yao's strength, how much he can bench press, etc. If you're 7'6 310lbs and supposedly very strong, you don't miss a dunk because somebody touched your arm. You don't get rejected by the rim. You don't get knocked on your ass because Harpring grabbed your arm. Put Dwight Howard in that position and Harpring gets knocked on HIS ass. When you go up, you have to go up strong.

    Yao is an extremely skilled center. His offensive skill set is prolific and he is one of the best mid-range shooting big men in the league. His aggressiveness and rebounding leaves something to be desired, especially considering that he's 7'6. Frequent injuries have done nothing to help. I have nothing but respect for him, but anybody who thinks he doesn't need to work on those two key issues is delusional.
     
  5. tinman

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    I was talking about Ron playing aggressive on the DEFENSIVE END, which is the topic of this thread.

    Like I said before, Yao needs to understand what Hakeem said about the Center position, that's dominate the Paint. Grab every rebound and block every shot.

    Ron Artest treats every opponent on defense like they are Michael Jordan. Yao, last night, treated every opponent like they were the Predator with the cloaking device on.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. trochili

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    had the same feeling when watching the game.

    Everybody has off night, it's is what it is. When you are off, you had better focus on one thing, such as just defense the champ's center and try to out board him.
     
  7. trochili

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    the teammates also need to know that it's better to keep ball away Yao sometimes

     
  8. Angkor Wat

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    Give Kendrick Perkins and the Celtics D some credit. It wasn't just Yao, KP is very physical and a good defender. No excuses on that missed open dunk but scoring on Perkins is not a walk in the park.
     
  9. qbthething

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    OMG.....YAO GOT **** OVER BY THE REFEREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVERY SINGLE SHOT HE MADE WAS A ****ING FOUL....AND YAO WAS DOUBLE TEAM 24/7....ITS REALLY THE SHOOTER FAULT. AND WATCH GONNA COME BACK SCORING 30 and yall gonna be like " dam i love yao ming"....just the 3rd game.
     
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    ALSO....GET A DAM PG THAT CAN CONTROL THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. deion_se

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    It's one game. Lol people are jumping on him. Yao needs to figure out, like he said himself, what happened that game. I dont think the title is appropriate because it's just one game. I am not saying Yao is flawless or excellent on defense but hell we all know who he is. He has some incurable habbits that everyone has acknowleged. You want him to change his way of playing after one horrible game? Chill out! He needs to find out the reason and avoid another disastrous performance instead of "concentrate on defense and rebounding". Like someone said Yao by no means can become a great defender/rebounder like Dream, but he is passable. That's fine. This team is talented and has some defense experts. Yao please just show some spirits and stop choking under pressure.
     
  12. tinman

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    i need to ask this of everyone now. did you watch the game?

    if you are a Yao fan, you would find his defense and rebounding effort as inexcusable. I'm going to assume, hell, i know, you didn't watch the game.
    but here's my analogy.

    you go to mcdonalds and order a cheeseburger. you get the cheeseburger and you notice the meat wasn't cooked. that's inexcusable. that's how i thought yao played.

    Yao's mentality is thinking about fouls, instead of thinking of defending the basket or grabbing a rebound when he has position over someone who's 2 feet shorter than him. if that's the case, then he's learned nothing fro JVG, Rudy T, Rick the Ruler, and the Chinese Basketball team.

    i'm going to keep posting this link til everyone sees it, cause i know everyone didn't watch the game.

    look at Glen Davis "wanting it more" than Yao:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband...d=2459788&brand=null&videoId=3683261&n8pe6c=3

    Should never happen, he's not taller or quicker than Yao, he's a short fat guy.
     
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  13. DcProWLer277

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    It just seems to me the Rocket's player's have bigger weaknesses than their Celtic's counterparts, someone please tell me if I'm wrong. It's just not all on Yao.

    Rondo:
    +Defense, Finishing at rim, Penetrating, Rebounding
    -3pt shooting

    Allen:
    +Pure Shooter, Pick n roll, FT%
    -Defense

    Pierce:
    +Defense (when needed), Finishing at rim, Penetrating, FG% effcient, toughness
    -??

    Garnett:
    +Defense, Post game, passing, Rebounding, toughness
    -Not the greatest scorer

    Perkins:
    +Defense, Rebounding
    -No offensive game
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    Rafer:
    +Great handles, good passer, decent defense
    -Shooting, finishing at rim

    T-Mac:
    +Good scorer, passing, Rebounding
    -FG% is inefficient, injury prone

    Ron:
    +Post game, Defense, scorer, finishing at rim, toughness
    -Ballstopper, mindframe, injury prone

    Scola:
    +Finishing at rim, mid range, FG% efficient, rebounding?
    -Defense man to man

    Yao:
    +Post game, Defense man to man, FT%, FG% efficient
    -toughness, injury prone, athleticism
     
  14. GMAC

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    tinman, you need to chill the F out. Once Yao Ming has another good game, everybody's going to be all over his balls again.
     
  15. tinman

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    maybe you are cause you are blind and considering you don't watch the games.

    you can jump and down once we beat the clippers or any other scrub team.
    this was

    1. a playoff type game vs the champions
    2. a statement game
    3. a home game

    go to R2K's thread and download the game. its ok, that's what Rocket fans do.

    Yao wasn't happy with his performance, but you are. Either you post something useful on this thread or go on some other thread, you have shown us any evidence that you even saw the game.
     
  16. GMAC

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    Who said I'm happy with his performance? Players have bad games. IT HAPPENS. Especially when they go up against the defensive juggernaut world-champs.

    I dont need to prove anything to you. I watched the game and I'm a Rockets fan. In your book, nobody who hasn't watched the Rockets for the past 10 years or who doesn't have 17,000 posts has a valid opinion.

    How many time's has Yao gone 8 and 7 since his rookie season? Doesn't happen much, does it? I can guarantee he's going to bounce back the next game and shut your face up. I've seen him dominate the Celtics before, so this performance was simply a combination of good defense, lack of confidence and funk.

    We're not even at full strength yet and we almost beat this team. Artest shot 3-16...why aren't you throwing HIM under the bus? Our team needs time to gel, until the Boston Celtics who are coming off a fresh chip. We need our players back and healthy. Yao Ming is still our center, and the best center in the league for that matter.
     
  17. tinman

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    you rookies don't know how to read. Let spell in large caps, its not about offense its about:

    DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING


    I believe Yao is the best center in the league and he played like he didn't care last night.

    You go to an expensive restaurant and pay $100 for steak and they give you dog food. That's what happened last night wth Yao. We know Yao is the Iron Chef, so why is he giving us dog food?
     
  18. Alvin Choo

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    You got it right. Last night. So chill. While the rox is waiting for deke, Yao is the BEST in...as you put it.... DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING in the paint.

    You cant judge a player on one of his worst night ever in his entire career.

    Hakeem have one of his worst game statistically at this night. Its a game against the spurs at 1992-03-12.

    His in prime age, 29 years old, he played 30 minutes, score 6 points on 2 out of 13 shooting, 3 turnovers and 5 fouls and grab only 7 rebounds, he did get his 3 steals and 2 blocks.

    Can you find any reports on that game from the archive you always seems to find. maybe theres a reason for his bad game. But its still 1 game that hakeem have perform badly.

    Or this day, 1990-02-03 at phoenix.

    1 steal, 0 blocks, 5/14 FG for 12 points, 5 turnover and 10 rebounds. And this is without foul trouble, as he only got 3 fouls. Guess what? A 2nd yr player name Andrew Lang who average 4.8 rebounds in his career, got 10 boards as well in that game in 20 minutes. And rox gave up 130 points in that game.

    So please, do not judge him on his worst day, judge Yao on his average day. And when his average says 19 points, 9 rebounds and 2 blocks. I take it his a pretty decent player.
     
  19. saleem

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    I totally agree with you Tinman.
     
  20. deion_se

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    I dont know how you define Yao fans. It seems that in your logic a Yao fan cant concurrently be a Rockets fan. Whatever you said, my pleasure is built on the succeed of Rockets other than Yao's stat.

    Can you judge a diner by what it serves ONE time, assuming you used to eat there and not feel bad? It's not like that Yao is playing defense like he was in the last game all the time, right? I got furious over him when I was watching the game and I was so down when Rox lost. But one game is one game.
     

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