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Yao Ming's Mathematical Quiz

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by pryuen, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. battousai

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    I think you forgot something. let me ask you this. What does the owner has on his hand at the end of the day?

    A fake $50 dollar, which he exchanged it back with a real $50 bill. Lost of $21 shoe plus the change to the scammer.

    If the owner never exchange the fake money with the neighbor he would lost only $50. since he used a real 50 bill in exchange of a fake one he lost additional $50.
     
  2. Hayesfan

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    ROFLMAO!!

    Yall thought it was so easy to solve, but then you all are arguing over which answer is correct.

    My answer is $100 bucks is what he lost at the end of the day. $94 in cash and product ($50 next door, $15 in shoes, $29 in change)... and $6 in lost revenue.

    I like Deke's answer the best! He does have a fake $50 bill to spend somewhere so all is not a total loss! ;)
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    $44 is the "correct" answer but I think 44 and 50 are correct answers because the question is crap.

    If you consider the loss of the profit, a loss, then the correct answer is $50. If you are counting just the shoe's value to the store owner, then it is a $44 loss.

    It would be quite reasonable to consider the 6 dollars profit a loss also because he spent his labor and store space to make the 6 dollars. Possibly lost another customer because helping the first one and then running to another store just for change!

    I love how "even a chinese camerman is smarter than americans" slant to this whole story. "this is a math problem for 10 year old girls in china"

    No its not, its a problem designed to trick. And its a poor one at that.
     
  4. battousai

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    one thing i need to point out in the world of business and readers need to understand:

    profit/opportunity cost - it costed $15 to make the shoe, but without those shoes, owner would never be able to make that $6 dollars profit. Therefore, owner lost more than $15, he lost $21 dollars.

    here is what you wrote:
    "After the scam, the crrok has $29 and a pair of shoes, the owner had $21 and a $50 fake note, and the neighbor had $50."

    I think this is the problem to your logic. The owner at the first transaction with the scammer only left him with a fake $50 bill. his $21 dollars is within that $50 fake bill. therefore $50 out the door and $50 into the door.

    second transaction with the neighbor. $50 real money for $50 fake money.

    Ask yourself this, what does the owner left with at the end of the day?


















    -a fake $50 bill, lost $21 shoes and $29 change to the crook.
     
  5. newplayer

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    His labour and store space is part of the cost. The $6 is pure profit and should not count towards the cost. If the owner had expected 1 million dollars of pure profit for a shoe that cost him $15 to make, would you say that it's reasonable to count it as part of his loss?
     
  6. hotballa

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    owner lost $21 on the shoes
    owner also lost $29 on the money he gave to the guy
    the real answer is $79 when you add in the fact that he also had to pay back the $50 to the other guy (discounting for the $21 he got to keep after giving the guy change)

    owner loss = $79
     
  7. battousai

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    Thank god, someone beside myself knows the answer.
     
  8. battousai

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    it is a trick one, but not incomplete. You know alot of the SAT math questions are like this tricky.
     
  9. Bandwagoner

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    HAH!! We totally agree! If you were doing a profit and loss chart from an accounting chair the loss would be a $50 dollar loss. This question tries to be smart but its so freakin dumb.
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    It is incomplete. The answer is supposed to be 44 dollars. But I could make a reasonable argument that the answer is 44 or 50 based on how you add up losses.
     
  11. newplayer

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    Yes, but it would cost him another $15 to get another pair of the shoes and he could still sell it for $21, hell he could even sell it for $50 to make up for the lost to the crook. The profit is NOT part of the cost, he could charge a million dollars for it but as long as it only costs $15 to make the shoes, all he lost was just $15.


    It's not $21 shoes, it's $15. He could get another pair of shoes for $15 and still sell it for $21.
     
  12. hotballa

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    you're forgetting that he gets to keep the $21 in real money he got from his neighbor

    therefore 100-21=$79
     
  13. durvasa

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    So he has a fake $50 dollar bill, essentially a scrap of paper.

    He lost a $15 dollar shoe (it cost him $15 bucks to make it). Yes, he lost the change ($29) to the scammer, but that was out of the $50 he received from his neighbor. So after all that, he had a net gain of $6 (-15 + 50 - 29 = 6).

    Then, he pays back his neighbor $50. So, in the end he loses $44.

    Huh? See above. That's all there is to it.
     
  14. newplayer

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    if you are gonna count the pure potential of $6 into account, maybe you should also include the interest rate and inflation in your calculation.

    if the shoe guy couldn't sell the shoes for $21, and had to settle for $15, would you say that he actually lost money?
     
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    LOL...so what's the right answer on earth :confused:
     
  16. hotballa

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    yes because the revnue of the shoe is $21. you lose the $15 you also lose the $6 profit from it. total loss would be $21 on the shoe
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    But he spent his time and labor and store storage space on those shoes. The transaction was over and all those considerations are factored into the markup. If you did a profits and loss review he would have lost 44 in shrinkage and 6 in profits. Profits pay for overhead. The problem never said if the 15 includes the overhead. If you ASSUME it does then the loss is $44.
     
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    we can argue about the $6 later but right now you're forgetting that he also has to pay that $29 back to the neighbor.

    in other words, he "paid" the buyer $29 to take the shoe and then had to repay his neighbor that $29
     
  20. Bandwagoner

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    Yes, because he could have helped another customer instead of that customer. Its possible another customer walked in, saw the store empty then walked out.

    I realize the "right" answer is 44, I am just showing how the question is crap.
     

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