Unrelated: Did windandsea ever reveal his/her identity? Is it possible that windandsea has the other red bracelet?
Too trusting?? Give me a break! Neither you nor anyone else could have predicted Wang's actions. The Rockets would not have put their own agenda on hold even if they knew ahead of time Wang's intentions. The Rockets have done everything in their power to meet the Sharks and CBA's expectations in this matter without stepping on anyone's toes.
Good point VooDoo. In any case, this whole situation sucks. While it is impossible to know exactly what is going on behind the scenes w/ all the parties involved likely giving out disinformation all along the way, the fact remains that we initially deemed in necessary to get the FIBA clearance prior to the June Draft and we are now sitting here in mid-Sept with absolutely nothing. Sure sure Goldberg comforts that he feels very much at ease and all warm and fuzzy with his written agreements - but in the words of Oskar Schindler, "to be upheld by what court?"
<blockQUOTE>Originally posted by Rudyball instead of All for One and One for all, it is All for China and One for China. China holds his rights forever, not the Rockets ! </blockQUOTE>This is not true, according to FIBA rules. Once the CBA (a FIBA federation) gives up Ming's "license" to play in their federation, his license transfers to the NBA. The NBA then "owns" his rights forever. Only the China National Team can call him back to play in sanctioned FIBA tournaments, and there are very limited amounts of practice time allowed. The Goldberg contracts signed with China have a formal side agreement with the NT on what touries they will ask for Ming. That is their right. We should not withhold Ming from playing on the NT. But don't confuse this with the CBA or the Sharks getting to call him back. That is not allowed by FIBA rules. One of FIBA's main purposes is to oversee the transfer of players between leagues and to make sure that no player has a license to play in two different leagues at one time.
Rockets Pimp:- Nowhere did I mention Wang Zhi Zhi not even by implication. I think you read something into my post which was unintended! I did post a couple of months ago, when the Mavs were questioned by the CBA about the where abouts of Wang Zhi Zhi. At that time I suggested that we should be aware that we possibly could be rail roaded by a subtle plan of the Mavs. They might have caused an incident between the NBA and the CBA inorder to create a feeling of disorder that might cause the CBA to feel uneasy about having Yao Ming come to the USA and the Rockets. I stiil am conserned about this, I wouldn't put anything past Mark Cuban!
Gald to hear that the CBA cannot call him back. So it is correct that the NBA would own his rights!Cool!
If when and where Yao will play for the NT has already been agreed to by all parties and we know it, they know it, and Yao knows it... then what, exactly, is the point of delaying Yao's signing?
I think China is waiting a written promise from NBA, another word, David Stern, about assuring the duty of NT of Chinese players. If any Chinese player denies his duty to play for NT, NBA should punish him. I remebered I read something like this before. CBA did write a letter to Davis Stern talking about Wang's case.
The thread/situation as a whole revloves around Wang. Even in your statement above you simply bringing up the Mavs and the CBA implicates Wang into the scenario by relationship, so you didn't have to directly say "Wang Zhi Zhi".
Roc Dreamer:- Sorry! But the NBA does not have the rights to Yao Ming yet! The CBA has not released him to play anywhere outside of his own country! The Rox are waiting for this clearance, which will be given to FIBA. FIBA will then grant the rights for him to play for the NBA and the Rox in particular. This is why I cant understand why the Rox have been sitting pretty with closed lips, just waiting for it to happen! The Roc need to be in constant communication with the CBA, so that they can counter any move the CBA tries to lay on them!
<blockQUOTE>Originally posted by windandsea I think China is waiting a written promise from NBA, another word, David Stern, about assuring the duty of NT of Chinese players. If any Chinese player denies his duty to play for NT, NBA should punish him. I remebered I read something like this before. CBA did write a letter to Davis Stern talking about Wang's case. </blockQUOTE>I'm curious: Did the China NT for soccer make a similar demand to the Euro leagues when their star player refused to report? Thing that is weird about this is that Wang was a free agent. In a way, he did not belong to the NBA and was free to play for any league in the world, with no requirement to request release of his player's license, according to FIBA. Stern could punish Dallas for withholding a signed player or allowing him to play in NBA games or summer leagues...and actually he must according to FIBA rules, but eliminating the free will of players by "forcing" them to report is not going to be allowed by the NBA Player's Union. This begs the question....couldn't Stern have slapped Golden State for letting him play in the summer league instead of the ???Southeast Asian Games??? in New Zealand in July. If I was Stern, I'd agree that no player will be allowed to play in any NBA sanctioned game when a NT is rightfully requested their appearance according to the time tables set in the FIBA rules. But no way does Stern have the power to punish a player for refusing to report. China has to get over that. That's not going to fly with the Player's Union.
extending my logic...I'm willing to bet that no team will sign Wang until after the Asian Games or be allowed to invite him to camp. In fact, Stern should enforce that. That is his duty as the President of a FIBA federation.
There are some very good points and information made here on the subject, but the one question remains. Is there anything that the Rockets can do to push this through or are they stuck to sit on their hands and do nothing?
Rockets are barred from adding incentives or compensation. And no signing can happen until the CBA tells FIBA that they officially give up Ming's "Player License." All the Rockets can do is make promises, and it's been reported several times that both sides have promises in writing to the exact times of the year Ming will be available to both the Rockets and the NT. We made our promises, and so did Cuban. But now the NT seems to be finding that the team's promises are not enough. The player still has to come on his own, and apparently they want help forcing him to comply.
