Misinformation, misinformation. .. It's only sensible to do what Crash did, ask question and understand other's system before pass out your judgement. BTW, Crash, I don't know all the answer precisely (Many things in China, as a transition Economy are changing fast), but I will chime in when I get more time later.
Where as individuals like Stern, Cuban, Steinbrenner... and organizations like Major League Baseball are model examples of transparency and liberal principles. Let's see what you said before: "When a man is blamed for pursuing his basic freedoms, it points to a flaw in the system.... It's kinda like when Black slaves used to escape to the North. " Uh, right. Either your original analogy sucks, or your backtracking as quickly as your pickup truck allows you to. By the way, I forgot to respond to an earlier point: Ignorance showing through again: Ma Jian is oft-quoted as the previous example to Wang Zhizih. He played at the University of Utah, and then tried out for the NBA (Clippers?) against the express wishes of the Chinese basketball authorities. He is *the* model for "disobeying" Chinese basketball. And where is this political dissident today? Locked up in prison? No, Ma Jian still plays for a professional basketball team in the CBA. He's just no longer invited to be on the National Team. Being a member of the National Team is a priviledge, not a right. Ma Jian sacrificed that, and the pig-headed officials decided to revoke that priviledge. The same is true of Wang Zhizhi. Your outrageous comparisons to that of escaped slaves is simply that: outrageous. There's a point here, right? Are we slinging dirt at totally unrelated issues, now? Ok... I'm sure Yao can enter the United States without too much of a problem for now on that legally obtained visa... as long as he doesn't have an Arabic name and wears a turban. If he does... well, who knows, maybe he ends up getting strip-searched or kicked off the plane. Your truly idiotic analogy about the daughter-selling aside... the legal "ownership" of Yao Ming's professional basketball career is determined by FIBA, the International Basketball Federation. They are the ultimate arbitrators of these types of contracts that you insist are meaningless. If you haven't heard of FIBA... well, they're kind of like the "New World Order" of the basketball world, international forces determined to undermine American individuality and superiority (no clue if they have black helicopters). And the extremist liberals at NBA headquarters actually find themselves bowing to FIBA requirements.... there goes American sovereignty. No, I don't assume only conservatives are against communism. Hell, there are many communists who are against the form of communism practiced in China. I don't even have a problem with conservatives... I just have a problem with poorly informed commentators of *any* political affiliation.
Saying poorly informed is too lightly. how many posts are not only ignorant which is bad or even more worse they are downright prejudiced? Sigh. No, I don't assume only conservatives are against communism. Hell, there are many communists who are against the form of communism practiced in China. I don't even have a problem with conservatives... I just have a problem with poorly informed commentators of *any* political affiliation. [/B][/QUOTE]
No, They maybe are incpmpetent, they maybe are looking to cover their azz first, like all bureaucrats do, American or Chinese. But there's no ground or evidence to call they fraud. WEll, if you want to call them disgusting, that's your own right.
I don't know who are you referring to. But watch out. Yao Ming might just as commie as anyone on this BBS.
what is there to disagree with? the CBA officials suck. period. numerous analysts predicted before the draft that yao would NOT be selected #1 SIMPLY because of the poor GM who drafts him would have to deal with these nasty officials. thankfully, the rockets were brave enough to try. and now we've seen the the CBA delay, delay, and delay again, each time promising to close the deal after their NEXT round of demands were met (as reported in YOUR OWN chinese newspapers...)... If it isn't fraud, it sure smells rotten. what's so hard to understand about that? As for Wang, the CBA and YOU have to LEARN YOUR MORAL OBLIGATION not to get in the way of another fellow man's pursuit of happiness (uhhh... Universal Declaration of Human Rights, as approved and signed by your great government in China...). The American NT's record can crash and burn in hell for all I care, before I would tolerate USA basketball FORCING any of US players to represent America. And coincidently, I'm using the same moral standard on the Chinese. Is that too difficult to understand too? As a free man in AMERICA, as a human being and not a slave, Wang has every right to REFUSE to serve the Chinese army AND the Chinese NT. You can take that "obligation" crap and stick it up the Yangtze River. How hard is it for you understand that? In THIS COUNTRY, we've got a BILL OF RIGHTS, and not a bill of obligations, so pardon me if i don't see eye-to-eye with you. Oh, and it is kinda funny how it just so happens that Wang was willing to serve your national team ON HIS OWN TERMS, but you just conveniently forget that it was your own officials who rejected his offer... let's hope Yao won't have the misfortune of ticking off CBA officials. You talk and talk about how Chinese people should love and support China, how foreigners should respect and appreciate China, but when stuff like this happen again and again, it tests the patience of us all.
I dont even want to respond to your post anymore. Hopefully this WILL be the last. Two of the quotes in your post are not even from me. Talking about inconsistency and myopia. I guess 4 out of 6 is pretty good FG % in a backyard pickup(TRUCK) game. Guess which "little" liberal "mind" ASSUMED my great mind as "little" " conservative". I guess self denial is an ingredient for arrogance. As far as strip-searching a suspicious Arabic person, I guess we should have done it to a redneck, excuse me for saying that, in the days that followed 9/11. Great logic and argument there. Duh. As far as the rest of your responses, it's not even worth my time anymore. Too IDIOTIC
I'm kidding micheon. I'm a gouldian egalitarian marxist. I think communism is mortally flawed, but socialism is robust. For another day...
i agree with michecon. it might very well be the case that the chinese officials are trying to cover their asses. they've got their family to feed, their jobs (and heads) to keep. so i rescind my previous comments which attacked them personally. sorry about that. but it doesn't mean the system isn't still seriously messed up. it's a classic case where a evil system makes sinners of everyone.
And who do you think you are? Background knowledge my a@@! If you want to argue, ARGUE! Don't resort to your stupid "superior" background claim to add weigth to your argument. I live in HK and I have lived long enough in Houston, TX, USA just like about all the anti-Wang Chinese members here who live in foreign countries, but unlike some stupid and brainless Chinese, I don't bow down to whatever westerners say about my country because I know China better than they do! Talking about superior background. This is stupid.
lil, I wonder if you ever visited China or you are just basing your views on anti China propaganda. You know well that there's a lot of these things float around. If CBA is an evil system, what are your proof and how do you explain that HK and Taipei has joined the CBA? If CBA is an evil system, why is it a member of FIBA, in the same breath of NBA? Doesn't this make FIBA evil too? If China is evil, why is there over 200000 Taiwanese residing semi or fully permanently in Shanghai alone right now, and other thousands and hundreds of Taiwanese making China as their home? Communism is evil, but which part of this evil system has anything to do with Wang Zhizhi? where's your proof of the Wang victimization? Reason doesn't work on generalization.
The subject started out about Yao Ming and the Rockets; contract signing. So I'm gonna comment on that first. It's unfortunate and hopefully the Rockets can get every thing resolved before tip off of the Pre season. Now to the most disturbing posts, mainly by fwang. I could make a come back of insult to every thing you said but I refuse to belittle myself and come down to that level. Even though you have insulted my home and my family it's not worth it to go back and forward with you. You have alot of maturing to do. For instance one of your suggestions was for your "Chinese Friends" to bash BBS loudly, this doesn't sound like a man, instead like a boy. Next time of saying that all Houstonians are narrow minded and conservatives, just mention the people you have encountered, not all of Houston. All of Houston is different in so many different ways. From the big houses in River oaks to the many nationalities that attend Lakewood Church to the street signs on Bellaire that are in Chinese. Oh yeah for the response about New Yok having a more open mind, tell that to an African American trying to get a Taxi there; it's almost Impossible. I know I've been there. Thats what the law suit was all about with Danny Glover. This should't be something new to you since it seems that you keep up with America so much, especially California and in the Northeast of the U.S., you so stated that they are "open minded" over there but not over here. Furthermore I've been to China also, and it was alright. I encounterd a few ignorant people, but I wouldn't say all of China was ignorant, just some of the people that I encountered. I hope you see my point, and don't just start lashing out as if there was something wrong with you; other than what I mention.
So I said that it's wrong to prematurely bash a Chinese basketball system, and it makes me a commie? LOL, that's the best joke I've heard in a long while. I wonder what the Americans do to the American communists, deprive every political rights they have and throw them into jail? or how about KKK? China being communistic(which I don't exactly agree with) doesn't deprive CBA of their rights to Wang Zhizhi as a player, nor has anything to do with their including Wang's NT service, which is vital to China's Olympic eligibility, as part of compensation for rights transfer to NBA, nor has anything to do with Wang's lack of choice of either accept CBA's terms of going or no go - as it's a universal practice to let teams set the tone over players in rights transfer, or at last, it doesn't give Wang right to defy his own words as a result of the all said above. If you just want to over simplify everything into communism vs. freedom, then you are sorely wrong and superficial on these matters.
You are chastising China using bill of rights of America, but you haven't answered me this yet, How do you justify your own region Taiwan forcing every young men to serve in the army for two years? Do you mean that every young men who's forced to serve in the army have the right to rebel, to escape and surrender at any time since they are being forced into the army for the bill of rights you listed? You still can't give any evidence that Wang is forced, by who? when? how? All you can do is whip out some Americans laws and resort to rhetorics, how do you link that to Wang being forced in his life by China? To ask his NT service as a compensation for his release? What a joke!
how about 5 times in the last 4 years? i am not anti-china. i simply wish it and all its people would learn not to be blinded by nationalism. and learn to just get along with (respect the rights of) their fellow countrymen like Wang as well as people from other countries. if this is anti-china, then i dunno what to say to you. evil because it FORCES players to play for their national team. it seeks to hurt the interests of players who don't comply. it places vain notions of nationalism and "obligation" before universal human rights. is that proof enough? HK and Taipei (actually just Sina, a china-controlled company operating in Taiwan) has joined the CBA for money. just as all taiwanese businessmen who work there. having people investment in a country or deciding to make a living in a country doesn't mean that practices in that country are right. it just means that there is money to be made. the ridiculous fact that Wang has to take abuse and slander from the likes of you and Xinhua New Agency? the fact that now he can't travel back to China for fear of detention? if you would bother to read my posts, the logic is there for all to see. and furthermore, repeated so many times that it is really frustrating how you can consistently miss it. i will post no more on this topic. i don't think we're gonna get anywhere.
After reading some of the insulting and offensive remarks directed at our newest Rocket fans from China, I feel compelled to offer apologies to our new Chinese friends. Not all Americans feel the same way as some of these reactionary bigoted posts may represent. Though we may never agree on systems of government we do agree on Yao Ming. The bottom line is both countries know it is in their best interests for Yao to play in the NBA. He'll be here. Now let's all drop this political BS, lock this thread and play ball. I welcome you. Can't we all just get along?
The best thing about Texas for Yao Ming is that he will have no problems finding ride in a car that fits him considering how many large SUV's there are here. The Ford Excursion was specifically designed for the Texas market.
