You've made a great thread. It's pathetic that it's currently rated at 2 stars. Yao has NOT been playing well, and he IS getting the ball. Seriously, like PMAC said, why shouldn't Yao shoot the ball every time, since he's so damn efficient? Yao is definitely looking slow these days, but like McGrady, I think he'll come around. Anyway, great job actually breaking the games down.
Yes it is, not to derail the thread. Lets say 2 teams both shoot 75 times a game, which is normal. In that 75 times, they also shoot 23 ft's. Let say both teams shoot 34-75 which is 45% and 17-23 for 73%ft. lets take out Yao's 12 attp per game and say 6 ft atts. After the general math, thats means there are roughly 80 rebs availiable. Rebounding is effort and anticipation. Thats why small guys like barkley can out rebound guys 7 inches taller because he had great effort and anticipation. David robinson played on a team with one of the greatest rebounders ever in rodman, but still got 10 or so. Scola boxing out and yao boxing out has nothing to do with them not rebounding the ball. Thats why coaches teach you to bump and release. the bump means put a body on someone, but the most important part is release to go get the ball and to anticipate where the ball will go.It doesnt matter how high you jump or how big you are, if you cant find or anticipate the ball then go get it, you're not going to be a good rebounder. Thats why its hard to understand how a guy like Rasheed wallace has never avg 10 rebs a game with all his atheletic talent, but a guy similar like Garnett can and has. You have to want the ball more than anyone else on the floor.
I dont create threads for star counts really. Believe it or not, i read every thread and every post in those threads. Just because i see a "1 star" with 100 post or 1 post, i still read it. I may not respond to them all, but i read. I just want posters to realize and understand the game. I always repeat, be a student, not a fan. i know some cant do that, and thats cool, but to really enjoy basketball and for those that might want to coach or even scout, there are things that go on that the play by play cant show you. Basketball is more than a game of just talented players.Its more than guys sticking their arm in the rim. I do enjoy the atheletic poins of basketball, but i also like the scissor and back door cuts. I like the high post rubs that utah runs as well as the triangle in la la land. I'm as much into fundementals as i am the wow plays, but all of those plays have a anatomy that most people dont see. they see the end, but they dont see the development. This wasnt about breaking Yao as much as it was opening eyes to what is fact vs fiction. Sometimes guys can grab the box score and say yao needs more shots. that person didnt see or understand why he didnt't shoot. they probably didn't see the amount of times he had the ball. Its all about getting everyone up to having a high bbiq. Its about having those argument at a bar with friends and actually know what the hell you're talking about. i might do the same tonight, but focus on rafer since everyone is talking about how important he is.
I did a scouting report for this game as well: Shane Battier 0/0 FG, 0 points 0 rebounds 0 assists 0 steals 0 blocks 37 HA HA HA's I think it's time for a trade
Lots of bad students out there my friend. By the way, I ate at Grins Friday afternoon on the way to the Rockets vs Spurs game. DD
I think you're forgetting one of the biggest factors in rebounding: luck. The ball is going to bounce one way or the other, and not even Dennis Rodman can get to every missed shot. In a single game that can be a huge factor. Over the course of the season, though, it becomes less important. When you box your man out, you take him out position to get a rebound. That makes you more likely to get a rebound yourself, but it also helps your teammates do the same because there is one less player on the opposing team competing for the ball. You can box out your man perfectly, but if your teammates don't the space you've created in front of you is not secure from an opponent's intrusion. The Rockets have been a great rebounding team recently because every player does his job on each possession, and Yao is a big part of that. Maybe you could do an analysis of how many times Yao successfully boxes out his man vs. how many times a Rocket gets the rebound.
Lscola, You do realize that a higher percentage of rebounds goes to the opposite side of the shooter, right? Players like Moses Malone, Barkley, and Rodman would watch where the shot was coming from and move to the most advantageous position. So, while there is some luck, there is also a lot of preparation. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. DD
A couple of times Yao was decent on Duncan, but I remember Duncan just passing the ball. I really wish I had taped it. My memory isn't what it used to be. Couldn't agree more about Landry. I thought his defense was pretty bad. He's got a great rep for his defense, partly because of that great play in the playoffs, but I think Scola's is much better, not to mention Chuck. Interesting comment on Landry and the Hornets game. I would have bet good money that Chuck couldn't return in SA... it was so obvious that we needed him out there. You're probably right about Adelman and his "lesson!"
Most of the great rebounders had quickness. Anticipation and quickness get you the rebound. The ability to jump laterally is also a big advantage, Rodman could jump laterally as well as anyone I've ever seen. Yao can't jump vertically or laterally. Yao is not quick. Boxing out and getting the rebounds on his side is all Yao should do... and he does.
I was referring to the woman who asked for a photo with him and declined numbnuts! And yes Ming has maxed out his potential, it is reality so live with it!
Asking for a photo? LOL, this is what you have said: Ahhhhh, so you are the numbnut who said he "declining to sign autographs". Why are you trying to lie now that you were talking about something else? Are you going to try to edit your post now? Actually, why you would even attempt to lie about something that is so easy to debunk is beyond me. Who is arguing with you whether he has maxed out his potential or not? Did I say one word about it in my post? Actually you seem to be the one who is so excited about this issue. So it makes more sense to tell yourself to live with it, agree? Let me know if you don't.
I also scouted and all the guys who grow up dunking have ruined the NBA with their low IQ BB and their horrible shooting. I'll stick with Yao and his high shooting percentage, you can have the scrubs that belong on the playground.
When did dunking become a bad thing? It's just another way of scoring. Shaq used to dunk alot and he could never shoot at ALL and he has been way more dominant than Yao will ever be.
I don't care if Shaq is better than Yao. Whats next measuring their "johnson"? How many dunks is there a game? How many jump shots? The jump shooters are a rare breed while the dunkers are everywhere. I think that guys who are earning 10 times their predecessors should be held to the standards that created the league. A lot of people can dunk........ but can they shoot and make others around them better? On offense these guys are not making each other better, they are hoisting up and bricking them as teams like Utah continue to draft shooters and make us pay years in a row.
This is a weak thread. Yao is not at all at his peak performance right now, but still he averages 15+ pts and 10+ b per game. He hesitates, he deferred, and he forced some shots. Coming out of injury, he is still finding his game, just like Ron. Still, he is a top 5 efficient Center in the league. Right now, he probably is not a strong leader, but his time will come. I hope RA won't over play him and let his game come to him naturally. I want to see that old "you can't fxxking stop me" Yao as well. He is not far away though.
People who work themselves in good position for a good dunk are just as hard to find as good shooters, it is a skill just like anything else. There are plenty of better shooters than Dwight Howard but he gets the job done. This is really way off topic. I just get annoyed with this whole idea that it's bad to dunk alot. If anything, it's the more efficient way to score in basketball.
Yes, of course I know that. My point was that some percentage of rebounds do not end up where you normally would expect. In those cases you can still help your team get the rebound by boxing your own man out so he doesn't slip in front of your teammate on the other side of the basket. If there are enough of those types of plays in a game you may not get the same number of rebounds you normally would expect, but you can still have a good rebounding game by consistantly making sure your guy is out of position. Be honest: did you read any of my post beyond the first sentence?
I have no problem that you say Yao has enough touches though not necessarily I agree with it. It is your opinion, and I respect that. What I have problem with is that you were trying to tell others that Yao did not have enough shots because he wasted his touches. You see the problem here? Number of shots is a reflection of number of touches. some feel Yao should shots more by getting more touches, some may feel Yao has enough shots and has enough touches. I have no problem with either of them for the sake of discussion. But your initial post was trying to tell those who think Yao should have more shots that Yao has enough touches. That is the problem. And is failed both logically and statistically. If this is too hard to understand, let me illustrate it by some pseudo numbers. Assuming on average Yao has 12 shots with 21 touches with in 8 ft. some say 12/21 is fine, no needs more. some say Yao should have 26 touches and shot 15 times. either one is fine with me. Now you comes out and say Yao did not shot 15 times is not because he did not have touch 26 touches, but because he wasted 9 of the 21 touches therefore he only got 12 shots. It would be more logical if you have data to show Yao has 26 touches and gets 12 shots to educate those who thinks Yao needs more touches.
