Yao Ming targeted? JVG might have been right in 2005

That is exactly what people have been talking about in the last 11 pages and then you said that in the 217th post of this thread? Any NBA basketball player is more smart than you and he would attack the basket if he doesn't have to worry about the touchy foul courts in the paint. Are you really that dumb or you are just pretending?

 

The key is JVG. Those that know of his character, realize that he is a straight shooter. Shoot, I bet Van Gundy would call his own mother a bad cook if it were the truth.
In 2005, I think he did get tipped off, but instead of throwing his source in the fire, he took it like an old school gangsta and paid the fine. Maybe his source was Stu Jackson, a good contact from the knicks days. If it were, and Jvg ratted him out, Stu would have been screwed, and Jvg wouldn't have done him like that.
I dont think Refs "Fix" the games, but they do "influence" games. Someone seriously needs to post that 2002 sac game. When I saw it back then, I couldn't believe it.

 

WHOOOOOOOSSHHHHHH!!

Right over the head.

 

Doesn't look like he said they wanted the Mavs to win, they wanted to prolong the series, genius.

"The NBA benefited from this because it prolonged the series, resulting in more tickets sold and more televised games."

The Mavs winning was just a by-product of it.

Honestly, when the Commish called out JVG and made him back down, I was thinking JVG was full of it, but damn, maybe not.

 

That is possibly the only reason why you raised a question after guys have been discussing the causes of it in more than 10 pages and 200 posts.

 

I F'n knew it!!!

The Mavs won, that's a fact, but they had an advantage and you can't deny it...Yao not being able to play his game hindered the Mavs and so a little "influencing" of the games resulted in the Rox losing...

F'n Cuban!!!! F'n Stern!!!!

 

NBA = WWF

 

I've been a full season ticket holder for the past five years, and a partial one for several years before that, but I did not renew my tickets this year.

 

QUOTE FOR GOSH DANG ****N TRUTH

THEY ROBBED US, WE WERE BETTER THEN TEH MAVS

 

I knew it, illegal screens are part of Yao's game.

You should be grateful the league told JVG they would be targeting Yao for those moving picks. That's the only thing Donaghy mentioned and you guys are so dumbfounded actually believing that the series was fixed because the refs were going to start disallowing Yao's illegal picks. If anybody, blame JVG for not having a new game plan for using Yao. I don't blame him though, I'd be upset too.

I don't care who you are, it's very difficult to believe the refs can single-handedly manipulate or rig a 40 point beat down.

 

Nope. I remember the look on JVG's face when he "apologized". The look of a man whose job was threatened.

Then I remember all those who screamed that JVG wasn't even providing a source. Well, of course not; why would he want to bring someone down? He could have kept his mouth shut about the whole thing, but the whole thing has to kill someone who works so hard to have success with his team.

 

Nobody is complaining about the 40 point beat down. They are talking about the games in Houston after Houston was up 2-0 and game 5 back in Dallas that were obviously skewed in favor of Dallas to make sure the series GOT to game 7.

If it had been fairly called, the series would have ended in game 6 in Houston and never gone back to Dallas.

 

OMG that was good stuff LOL

 

Exactly....quoted for trooth.

I just want to know, who has the ref closest to Finley that "missed" that call?

 

too bad donaghy wasnt working the first round against the jazz this year, cz something definitely happened there games 2 and 4

i lost all respect for the nba and david stern after we got eliminated this year

i still stand by the fact that we wouldve stopped the lakers from reaching the finals, even without yao

 

I wonder what kind of action the players and owners will take to protect their product/jobs? I fail to see that people will continue to support a league that's perceived as "fixed" by players, coaches, owners, the media, and fans. If the league doesn't take drastic actions to eradicate the dark clouds over the integrity of the game, I don't know how long the league can last in its current state.

For me, I love the game of basketball, but I stopped watching the Finals with 3 minutes left in the first half of Game 2. I just couldn't put up with the inconsistency of the officiating any more, and the resurfacing of the whole Donaghy thing just reaffirmed my suspicions, regardless of how incredible they might be.

 

How many more free throw attempts do you need to win the game. Rockets got to the line 40 times, missing 11, and losing by 3. It's easy to blame the refs.

Just look at the box score. It was evenly called. I don't think it helped having Wesley play the entire game either. And I know I've mentioned this in the past, but it's hard to win games when 60% of your offense comes from just 2 guys. Mavs had 6 players in double digits, and trust me, that makes a huge difference when it comes to closing out a game.

 

What I don't understand is all the excuse making for this team and players. This isn't just about Yao even though he seems to be the main topic. If any of u played basketball beyond high school, which eliminates 95% on this board, the aggressive players get the calls. If yao would have been contesting layups instead of trying to draq charges on a 6 ft guard, he wouldn't get the tickie tack calls.

For all the punishment yao takes, he doesn't get half the punishment Shaq used to get. Shaq had the strength, will power and stamina to keep powering up, dunking on people and physically dominating the opppnet. Not to mention they used to let u put 2 hands in the back. Shaq was still one of the league leaders in ft attempts every yr.
We can all speculate and guesstimate about prolonging a series, but what about missing key 4th qt ft's? What about Tracy not securing a rebound and letting him knock the ball of his leg? What about not showing up for game 7? When a team loses a game or a series, its a series of plays that led to the loss. In a 7 game series, the best team playing the best always win.

 

if these allegations are indeed true, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Now, whats even more amazing to me is how a league already berated my the fans, media, teams, etc. for questionable officiating continues to "brush (these allegations) off their shoulders" as being ludicrous. Although I am by no means a Spurs fan, it is AMAZING to me that the NBA let the highly-controversial Joey Crawford officiate during the Lakers-Spurs series. Here is a man who was unemployed just a few months back DUE to his on-the-court controversies with, you guessed it, the SPURS (primarily Tim Duncan) and HE of all referees is on the court officiating Game 4 of the Western Conference Finals, let alone the NBA FINALS??? Boggles my mind.

The NBA got EXACTLY what it wanted; a Lakers-Celtics finals that as Donaghy would put it "was in the best interests" of the league. While I don't think games can be rigged with 100% assurance, referees do indeed possess more than enough power to influence the outcome of games. With referees like Crawford who apparently hold personal vendettas against certain players and teams, the NBA has some issues to resolve and some questions to answer.

 

so i guess the refs call every damn foul in one game? they call all the overthebacks? they call all the looseball foul? they call all illegal screens? i'm not saying this as a fan of the rockets, but as a fan of basketball. when you frist learn how to play this beautiful game, you learn the basic rules. no pushing, can't dribble again after you pick up the ball, etc.

but what happens if every freakin game, it's the refs who set the tones. like... this game, a player can push the opponent with this amount of force (lets use Force A), but it's not a foul, but anything over that is. next game, a player can push the opponent this amount of force (lets use Force B), but it's not a foul, but anything over that is. that is very inconsistant.

you want basketball players to adapt every single game just because of the tone? basketball is a simple sport. play by the rules, and at the end you want to score more than the opponent. you can't expect players to play the game of basketball without knowing what a foul actually is. if a call was consistant 82 games a season, none of this talk would matter.

you may say, "so what, this is a disadvantage for every single teams..." well, what happens if the refs target just one player? that player is screwed. every player in this league gets away with things. that's the (dis)advantage that is shared equally between every players. (except for that star and role player treatment) when you close up on a player, everything is exposed.

follow one player while you are watching. pick a big man. i remember i did that with diop when we were on our winning streak in the beginning of the season. dallas gave us our first loss, but i was paying attention to diop. so many times, he would get lost on the defensive side, and just follow the ball handler while he was in the paint. 3 seconds right there... but did they ever call it? no.