Yao Ming targeted? JVG might have been right in 2005

Well you can't deny that Tim Dons claims match up exactly with the 2005 playoff series. People forget that the man in under oath. He lies and he gets even more jail time. This happens all the time in the world of crime. One guy gets caught, in this case, Tim seems like a major player, and then gives up everyone else to get a lesser sentence. It's not that far fetched at all, especially in this situation. People didn't think Refs rigging games for bets weren't possible but here we are.

I guess we will have to just wait and see.

 

At the same time though, he had been a ref for a long time. He remembers all the games where everyone says "OMG THAT WAS RIGGED!!!" and then he talks about the games he was reffing. He could make up a story.

But whatever, I'm just having a hard time believing the conspiracy.

 

you're naive...

hey look at stern from ESPN quote his baseless attempts to accuse donaghy of baseless accusations.

"We have been asked to cooperate for the last year by providing people and answering questions, and we've done that. And our understanding is that the investigation is just about wrapped up waiting for the sentencing of Mr. Donaghy, and as he continues desperately to somehow get out of the fact that he is subject to a longer sentence possibly than his co-conspirators, there are this continuing flow of allegations from, don't forget, an admitted felon. So they're baseless."

What a load of crap. No man would do what stern is accusing donaghy of doing here.

 

For Stern it's all about spin now. He's desperately trying to keep his butt out of the fire. The only problem is that he should have hired a publicist before going out and making these crass statements about Donaghy. It makes him look like a hot tempered control freak boss with an agenda against a disgruntled employee. He should have just denied the allegations and talked about what a great product the NBA is while not saying anything about Donaghy.

But...

He went there and that raises suspicion on Stern.

Let the Feds do their job. There will be more coming out.

 

The thing is, if it's true, and I highly believe because why would Jeff lie about something like that?, Stern would never admit he rigged games.

 

ITS ALL ABOUT THE $$$$$$$$$.......THEY CAN CONTROL THE OUTCOME OF A GAME WHAT IS SO HARD TO BELIEVE ABOUT THAT.....REMEMBER PETE ROSE?

 

I posted here years ago that games were fixed and lengths of series were "controlled" to get series to a game 7. This has been going on since 81. Referees have been told to extend series for ratings. This was initially done to try to prevent another Rockets/Celtics ratings fiasco. I don't know TD but I was told this by another ref back in the 80's. When I posted it on here I was told I was a crackpot and a Conspiracy nut. This is how the NBA has marketed itself for 20 plus years. Van Gundy was fined so heavily for speaking the truth. You can watch 10 minutes of any any NBA playoff game and be able to tell who is going to win. if one team is parading to the line and the other team can't seem to get fouled, one of two things is happenening; they are holding back a leading team to keep the score close for ratings or they are helping a trailing team to extend the series. Watch any series. When a team goes out in six, they usually have their chances to win but can't hit the shots despite the help.

David Stern can turn anyone in the NBA into a Superstar he deems marketable and has. While Magic was a great player, does anyone remember him being allowed 5 steps to the basket on drives? Commentators used to laugh about it. Most players are alot better when they can travel at will. Bird could not be touched. Everyone has heard of the Jordan Rules. These aren't fantasy, they are reality. Superstars average 10 to 12 freethrows per game during the season and usually more during the playoffs. Drop them down closer to the league average and they are not so super. Most of them are "carried" to the fourth quarter with one foul or less to prevent them from fouling out and losing viewers. If you tune in to see Kobe and he is on the bench with 3 fouls for the first half, people tend to tune out. In the playoffs, it makes it hard to "keep a game close" if the superstars aren't in the game. Look at Shaq as a case in point who is no longer an A list superstar. Without the ability to commit offensive fouls at will, he has struggled to adjust. He can't shoot beyond 5 feet so without help, he has really struggled. he didn't lose his shot with age, he lost his 'edge' and he has had trouble adjusting. I would bet Shaq set a personal high in offensive fouls and time on the bench in foul trouble this season.

Stern will ride this guy Donaho into the ground about his credibility and have all his cronies join in. It should be interesting if any active or past refs are called into the trial to see if any have the balls to stand up to Stern.

 

Your Pete Rose thing is more on the lines of what I'm saying. I do not think this is being handed down from Stern. The refs can act as they want. There probably are other refs that new what Donaghy is doing. I just think it would be impossible to keep that many people shut up for this long if it was coming from the top.

 

mlwoo is the baghdad bob of the clutchfans message board.

here is a report that specifically describes the '05 Rockets/Mavs series, a series in which our coach received the largest fine in NBA History for speaking out against a referee bias (which it turns out to be correct- a crooked ref was an alternate for the series) and this poster thinks it's all a coincidence?

 

Anyone can complain about a specific occurence. It's probably true what Donaghy said. Cuban complained and I bet the league listened. But who cares? If the league thought he had a case, then they adjusted. No conspiracy.

 

so then why is it in the report?

 

Not sure if you guys remember, but a few years ago Shaq fouled out in a game and the following day I remember reading in the Chronicle how NBC complained to the NBA that ratings dropped when he went out of the game. Does anybody remember reading this? It is a big business, you don't think the refs have performance clauses in their contracts? If there is money to be made and it can be swayed either way by their calls.

Any idea how many refs there are in the league?

 

You have difficulty about motivation of fixing games? Ok lets spell it out here.

If you extend the series out to 7 games instead of say a 4 game sweep, how many dollars is that going to be? Millions in TV revenues. This aspect is an obvious motive.

Lets not look at a hypothetical motive. Lets say that millions no lets say billions of dollars swap hands during an NBA playoff series and beyond that which team advances and wins the championship. How much motive is there in ensuring that a certain team advances to the finals and eventually wins it all? Lets not understate the "potential" issue here. The NBA championships has billions of dollars being gambled away here. This ultimately could be about gambling and in ensuring which team advances.

What's my point? There is plenty of motivation for "FIXING" games. All of it based on money. The potential gambling aspect of it could be huge if there are in fact gambling connections to the NBA. I know this is conjecture at this time but I offer it as another potential motive.

 

Robbing a bank is a very lucrative way to break the law too. The risk is just to high. I don't see how the league could trust so many people. What if a ref quits?

I understand everything you are saying. It makes sense. I just don't think it happened. I have faith in my favorite sport. I guarantee you the league didn't want a SA vs. Cleveland finals last year.

SA got past the Suns with some help of them not having Amare. Do you really think the league would get better ratings if SA advances or Amare doesn't play?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just saying I'm not convinced.

 

you can't be serious, did you watch the clips, the calls were obviously not made, I could of made the calls from the nosebleeds. when was the last time where 8 or so bad calls were made (maybe this year's 1st rd). Not Coincidental

 

I was at every single game that series. I was booing just like everyone.

 

Didn't get a chance to read this entire thread yet. All I can say is: sounds like Donaghy is leaking some of the worst kept officiating secrets in the NBA.

 

they should take away the championship trophy and give it to the rockets

 

"MLWOO"

DICK BAVEDA IS THAT YOU?

I THOUGHT THE RACE BETWEEN YOU AND CHARLES WAS RIGGED TOO.....TO BAD YOU COULDN'T BLOW THE WHISTLE! HA!

 

the problem in this argument is that Donaghy chose the single most obvious series to call it as a fix. It can help him but also hurt him. Help him in that now he has a lot of people who's team got screwed behind him, what hurts him is that those games are too easy, you'd think that he would have other games but in which they were not as obvious fixing going on by the NBA.