Yao Ming Rejected for Taiwan Charity Visit, China Times Reports

The independent nation of Taiwan appreciates your efforts to thwart a 'invasion' by the Chinese military by proclaiming allegiance to the ROC.

 

some of the chinese americans i've met really have no idea what's going on in china. and i thought i was pretty clear that i pretty much grew up in US and educated by US system. and i never really had the "vicitim" mentality. so i don't really know where your comments are coming from. a lot of my friends were grew up in US share similar views from me.

 

Excellent -- a sublime combination of diverse references. Gold star, Cheetah! LMAO.

 

I have no idea what's going on in China except that pollution is out of control and that you better not speak against the gov't. But I do know that you and many other Chinese that were born on the mainland are very nationalistic.

And usually, it's quite ironic (Ottoman - note the use of the word irony) when a nationalist accuses others of being brainwashed. Because to be a nationalist, by some definition, you are inherently biased to - guess what, your nation you take pride in!

Now there are many American nationalist, but I am not one of them. I beg you to try to make the same claim.

 

But that's exactly my point. Saying Tibet was liberated by China is just as crazy as saying Iraq was liberated by the U.S. Both are crazy views, and in the U.S., if you say Iraq was liberated by the U.S., your a nutcase.

I'm not excusing the U.S. for it's nationalistic policies, but the U.S. policies aren't under discussion here. Why does every time someone critque China's actions, the response is that the U.S. does the same thing???

My point is that China needs to lay-off the heavy handed approach and join the world community as a player, not the anti-social awkward new kid on the block who thinks everyone is picking on him and he needs to lash out to assert himself.

 

I do not think Taiwan is an indepentdent country yet, but I do not against what Taiwan people are thinking or doing if that is good for them, but Chinese govement and Taiwan govement are not doing things for their people, but for themself, so a force action will be taken if something is going on, so the people lives will be taken. I support the idea that Taiwan just stays whatever as right now until there is a better solution. I do not have the truth in the politicans.

 

yes, you are very open minded, and that's good. i wish it's true for most people. but it's like yin and yang. if there is yin then there has to be yang. balance & harmony. so if there are people are like you, there will be people completely opposite of you. there is no point trying to get rid of them. as both are part of a whole. same thing as mainland and taiwan. at the moment, "opposite forces" but part of a whole

i think you are a little harsh on the can't speak against the government. everytime i visit china, i hear locals discuss about the wrong things that's happening. it's not that people can't speak against, it's how to improve the system. as for environment, it's the result of bad management. people have complained about that. and the government is currently realizing the problem, and for a while, started a concept of "green GDP". however, due to the very low "green GDP", it doesn't look good for the economic. it's not used anymore. but more efforts are put into fixing the environment. it's not completely government's fault either. china has 1.3 billion people, that's why there are so much pollution. if US has 1.3 billion people, the environment would probably be worse than china due the all the CO2 emissions.

 

i think that's definition of double standard.

 

CHINA = millions more {by sheer number, i believe China has more children who dont have access to health care}
people dont get tired in China?
doesnt China use a lot of oil also?
t/f = 2 choices, communist/communist = 1 choice, so i guess USA has 100% more
MAO was pretty good at taking lives
i wonder where the big black cloud over ASIA came from... those darn yankees...
if you dont wanna join thats your choice

bored also

 

yuantian,
all your info is invalid since you fail to recognize the Rockets Championships Team of the 90s and Hakeem and company as the true heros.
you are a YOF cause real Rocket fans love all the Rockets, especially the ones that win championships for the city of Houston.
As far as I'm concerned, what country you belong to is irrelevant, its your loyalty to the TEAM. and disrespect to the Hakeem led Rockets puts you in the league of hypocrites. yu-aint-rocketsfan
so stop insulting Taiwan or Milwaukee or Hakeem or Rudy T or KingCheetah
and start learning the meaning of CLUTCHCITY.

 

i thought this is a thread about politics. besides, i'm a bucks & rockets fan. don't bring politics into sports

 

I think most Americans have a better opinion of China than China has of the U.S. This is by virtue of the fact that we have a significant population of Chinese living here - and you don't have a lot of Americans in China outside of Hong Kong perhaps.

In any case, the whole environmental thing....The US does have a higher CO2 rate per capita, but that's misleading because we also account for 1/3 of the worlds output. So 1/3 of the CO2 use, and 1/3 of the worlds output.

That's not the case with China, who pumps out 1/3 of the CO2, but doesn't make up for it with output.

That's because China's industries aren't as efficient nor do they have any environmental standards - and the U.S. is definitely not great with environmental standards.

What is concerning about CHina's pollution is that it's really causing a lot of problems with the population. Perhaps that's the price of industrialization, but I think the gov't allowed the economy to expand too fast and that's resulting in problems in managing the effects of that growth.

Hopefully in the next few decades as China emerges from this industrial period, there will be many changes, not just economic and environmental, but social and political as well. And if history has taught us anything, it's that this is indeed often the case.

 

Maybe the same reason why every time when the Chinese posters criticize the Japanese atrocities in WWII, the response is always the Cultural Revolution? What do you think?

 

Well, I think EVERYONE here recognizes what Japan did was wrong, and the country has entirely changed and deposed of it's gov't and now is one of the most peaceful nations on earth.

 

then how do you explain the fact that their leaders still worship at the shrine where the remains of pretty much all war criminals are at? if you are going to pretend to be peaceful, at least remove those war criminals from the shrine.

 

Well, if you have read my post more carefully, I did not ask about your opinion on Japan. I was answering your question in your former post.

 

without Clutchcity there would not be CLUTCHFANS and you wouldn't be able to speak your mind freely cause this site would never exist.

Dream/Max/Otis/Kenny/Sam/Robert, they GAVE YOU FREEDOM

 

I'm sure their intent isn't to honor war criminals but rather the positive aspects of their history. They have generals and soldiers buried at that shrine throughout their proud history. Just because a few guys who were classified as war criminals got in shouldn't make a war cemetary off-access to leaders. I think that this might be splitting hairs here. I mean, do people expect the Japanese to completely always live in shame for their past? It was 3 generations ago, and the people involved in what happened are all dead now.

 

just a few? ok, i think you've just gone too far. your comment is very insenstive. what do you think the world will react if the germans started to pay respect to hitler? i think all hell would break lose. just a few? give me a break. and since when it's ok to pay respect to any single one evil person? like i said, remove all of the war criminals from the shrine, then i would care less. if someone raped and killed your entire family, would you want others to pay respect?

 

i think the reason westerners have a tough time figuring out why the majority of asians hate japanese ppl is because they dont know that the japanese government has yet to make an official appology for their actions during ww2 like german.

Also, japanese historians gloss over their actions and in some cases outright deny having done anything wrong. if japan would make an official apology, it would be the first step in the right direction.

Also, as yuantian said, there are war criminals who have been enshrined at their war memorial. so you can see why asians get pissed off when japanese officials visit the shrine.

however as a counter point, china isnt so clean itself. mao's "great leap foward" killed millions of people. even today, there are many who are silenced bc they dont tow the party line. but we have to realize that china is a big sas country. and too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the soup. im sure eventually china will evolve into a democracy. however thats still far in the future.

but as for today, if taiwan chooses to remain independent of china, then china should respect their wishes. its not like taiwan is hindering china's development. im sure in the future, when china becomes more democratic, taiwan will gladly reunite.

please correct me if im wrong... didnt china use to be thousands of different city states who all had their own distinct languages and cultures before the emperor qin decided to conquer/unite china? so isnt china like a big mixture of different cultures that all happen to reside in china?