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Yao Ming Rejected for Taiwan Charity Visit, China Times Reports

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jsmee2000, Aug 25, 2007.

  1. B-Bob

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    As you can readily see in this picture, and as you well know, I have a full head of fur.

    Your rhetorical questions shall best be answered when my ships and monsters have taken over all of King Cheetah's tricky maps... and more! We will not have Taiwan, or China. All shall be Gori! I mean B-Bob!
     
  2. SamFisher

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    Let us just call it the "Chi-wan" or the "Sino-wan" strait and call it even.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    I will retreat to my high altitude Atacama Desert hideaway and meditate on your response, then perhaps get back to you after an indefinite period.

    Sandwich lamphrey humidifier in peace, for now....
     
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  5. yuantian

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    :p tai wan are 2 characters, chi/sino not really chinese characters :p i'm just tripping man :D my bad
     
  6. NewYorker

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    If my entire family was raped and killed by Japanese people i would not hate all of Japan, I'd hate the people who did it and that's it.

    I Don't hate the British, or the Pakistanis who took all of my parents land during partition. Why? Because it's stupid to. You can't hate an entire people or a nation for something a few people of that nation did 50 years ago. Geez.
     
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    Here, here. Pandas want their independant habitat of Taiwan. China must take it back for pandas from the panda haters.
     
  8. NewYorker

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    I don't know how you get that Japan spends as much on military spending as China. China is number 2 and Japan is about the same level as the UK and Germany.

    But anyway, Japan's spending is on defense. They don't have nuclear subs or aircraft carriers, or an amphious assault. They are more worried about invasion from China. Although eventually Japan will militarize more, they are a far far way from ever being what they were in their imperial days and the majority of Japanese are against remilitarization.

    China on the other hand has policies of belligerence to it's neightbors. It has invaded and annexed Tibet, and now has essentially practiced a form of ethnic cleansing by changing the demographic of the county. China has invade India, claimed the Spratley islands, and claims Taiwan. Certainly China has moderated it's stances and become less belligerent but it still talks a tough talk about Taiwan.

    Let's be realistic. Taiwan is not going to be annexed to China anytime soon if ever. You can say it belongs to China, but in reality they are independent and will only join China by their own volition - effectively an independent state but they can't say so because thier neighbor doesn't allow that as a condition for it's freedom.

    Frankly, If I were Chinese, I'd focus more on the environmental disaster that the country is. The air is toxic by even American standards, the water is undrinkable, and cancer rates are out of control. You have 750K people dying early deaths because of the environment and they are building more coal plants not less. I think pollution is now the number one cause of death in China, and it's so bad that it's causing problems as far away as L.A.

    So why are you worried about Taiwan or Japan - two nations that are peaceful and are looking only to maintain their standard of living. They don't have any plans to invade China. They don't want to contain China, but they probably have far more reason to fear China then China does them.
     
  9. yuantian

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    coming from a non-chinese, i understand. i'm not going to bother answering the same questions over and over. go read prior posts for answers for these questions.
     
  10. NewYorker

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    The Chinese here in the U.S. also don't really see China as the victim, I think it's only mainlanders who are somewhat biased by a perception they are up against the world.
     
  11. yuantian

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    chinese here? you mean american born chinese? they are brain washed by US for most part. if that's not what you meant, then i am a chinese "here". i've lived in US for so long. i don't think you can argue that i'm brain washed by china. i actually went to school longer in US than china. and i learned all the politics, history, philosophy, languages about east asia in US. and i don't think it's "us against the world". i think there are different forces in each country that drives the population. basically, majority of the people are "idiots" and do whatever the leading ideology says. i've really learned a lot by living in US and learning about japanese. i'm not saying i'm right, but knowing all these different things give me some sort of "clearer" understanding for the complicated issues here with my personal opinions.
     
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    did you learn that clutchcity 1993-95 united the world? the world would have been destroyed if the forces of good (Rockets) did not face evil and defeat it.
    it was in his plan, the almighty staged his battle for eternity in the hands of a few of different cultures, skills, tempers, but the same heart.
    the heart of champion. did you learn that in your studies?
     
  13. yuantian

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    no, but i did learn that the bulls ruled the world from 1991-1993 and 1996-1998. :p >*RUNS*>

    good night guys. i have to be "exploited" at work tomorrow. so i can have some food to eat. and buy my 11th guitar :D
     
  14. NewYorker

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    how can you claim that Chinese Americans are brainwashed but that the Chinese in China who grow up in a undiverse homogenous place without anyone to represent a dissident opinion are not?

    I'm sorry, but most of the Chinese I've met from the mainland have pretty crazy views, like that China "liberated" Tibet and the Tibetians are much better off now, or that everyone is bad and China is good. Do you really think that way?

    There isn't much American propaganda against the Chinese. I have learned more about China from Chinese people or people who study China then the newspaper. I really think that China has a big chip on it's shoulder as a nation - you guys aren't the little guy on the block anymore, but you still have the little guy victim mentality.
     
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    Hmm, I don't know American Indians can legitimately travel outside of USA without the possession of "official" US passports granted to them by the good ol' boys. Do you? And I certainly am not aware the Indians have ANY meaningful representation in branches of government at the federal level such that they can entertain the idea of making and interpreting laws to claim back the landmass collectively known to their slaughtered ancestors as *the original homeland*. But what the heck, any thing goes if it lifts the burden of a White Man, no?

    Chinese colonizing? When I see in place the practice of "colonists" forcing one-child policy onto themselves but allowing the "colonized" to have multiple offspring, and the policies heavily favoring the "colonized" economically, socially, and in academic requirements in college admissions, I can only conclude those "colonists" are altruistic.

    As far as the jailed "dissidents" are concerned, at least they have the chances of being released early, or at most, upon serving their time, unlike the folks of Branch Davidian who were sent into flame in Waco. I don't even have to bother to cite any of the grave acts committed by this administration. It ain't gonna be pretty.
     
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    NewYorker, do you favor serfdom, slavery, and racial segregations?
     
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    I find this funny, considering how so many Americans feel that Iraq has been "liberated" from Saddam and are better off, or that the US is good while the rest of the world are bad... Ok, scratch that.. I think Americans tend to think that US is good, and everyone else don't exist.

    I'm not saying Chinese mainlanders don't have very biased views. They do, probably more so than Americans. However, let's not go overboard and denounce Chinese for these views, considering that nationalistic views are shared by EVERY country's citizens. And every country's government brainwash their people. Just because the American government doesn't use a heavy-handed approach doesn't mean they're not just as bad.

    And China doesn't come even close to being a colonizer compared to the US. After all, China doesn't have military bases all over the the Pacific, or intervene heavily with its southeastern sea neighbors like the US does with Latin/South America.
     
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    your mind was poisoned. you need to be cured.
     
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    My government's name is Republic of China. It is the government, the regime which both of grandfathers gave their blood and effort to defend.

    There is no country or government's name called Taiwan. And never would any anti-Chinese government or party bear such name win my allegiance.

    So, until the pro-independenist can destory this government or change the constitutional name of this regime, I am the a proud citizen of the Republic of China. Stop call my government Taiwan.
     
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    Well Dream, the government's tourism board has no problem using the name Taiwan over the ROC.
     

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