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Yao Ming Rejected for Taiwan Charity Visit, China Times Reports

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jsmee2000, Aug 25, 2007.

  1. Ottomaton

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    And Tibet is part of entire Tibetian civilization. This argument breaks down when you apply it universally.

    And the PRC is a country, not the standardbearer of a civilization. If you are really so concerned about the unity of the civilization, give the mainland over the government of the ROC - problem solved.
     
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    wow, it sounds like a good idea. let an entire civilization to the hands of a bunch of losers. does that sound like a good plan for reviving a civilization? tibet is a part of expansion of the civilization. i don't mean to offend anyone. but US is a part of expansion of the british, or roman if you prefer.
     
  3. pirc1

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    They reason why the situation is like it is today is due to US intervention, the fifth fleet basically blocked the mainland invasion. So power is everything, if China doesn't have the economical or military might, forget about everything, just ask Saddam how it feels to be over powered. If by the same token China become the number super power in the world, we'll just have to see what happens then. By then Taiwan could be so tied to China economically there is no need for anythign intervention. I hope I will be able to witness a peaceful unification.
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    So if it is cool to take land from civilizations, like you did with Tibet, then it should be cool for Taiwan to do the same with Taiwan, right? Or does China have special natural right of civilizational territorial integrity that is afforded only to China?

    I have no problem with choosing to apply a “rule” like this but it should be universal, otherwise it is just a rationalization. If China own Tibet by virtue of their 50 year ownership, why is Taiwan any different for the ROC?
     
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    I bet its as simple as moving millions of people away when you want to build a giant dam.
     
  6. tinman

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    There are

    African
    Mexican
    Asian
    South American
    European
    South Pacific
    Arabic
    Russian

    People that live in America.

    There are:
    Chinese

    people that live in China.

    The EXPANSION, you are talking about is the EXPANSION OF THE WORLD.
     
  7. Ottomaton

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    A unification with the PRC supported by the Tawainese people is a win-win for everybody.
     
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    Taiwan will NEVER be independent as a county, this is a fact. This is not up to someone's thinks, Chinese people will never give up a land which was mapped five hundred years ago.
     
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    Most definately.
     
  10. tinman

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    who owned the land 501 years ago?
     
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    I think some people in Ming D. occupied the land, but it maybe not true. For me, I do not care this thing very much, just say Chinese in mainland will not let the land independent, that is clear.

     
  12. pirc1

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    There is no never in anything. Land that was arab's for 2000 years could be taken away. The only thing that is for sure is change will happen.
     
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    errr..... you're 112 years too late... Taiwan was given up to Imperial Japan by China in 1895. :confused:

    alternatively... you're 384 years too late... when Taiwan became a Dutch colony... :eek:

    one good thing about Taiwanese people ruling Taiwan right now is that we won't have to worry about some lameass Chinese govt selling us out to be 2nd class citizens of some foreign empire again.

    And why are you people focusing on bubble tea when Taiwanese people invented INSTANT NOODLES!?!?!?
     
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  14. NewYorker

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    so you are saying jews and chinese are racist?

    I don't think most Jews hold anything against the Germans anymore, certainly some from the generation of the 40's, but not todays.

    I don't think the Japanese are anti-Chinese or even think like they did. Time for the Chinese to move on and figure out that the Japanese aren't their enemy.
     
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    If the Japanese treat WW II like Germans did no one in the world would have a problem with them.
     
  16. NewYorker

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    Personally, I think the whole China-Taiwan thing is moot, although it's probably unlikely to result in re-unification (if they were ever truly unified).

    Taiwan will never join a communist China, so really everyone is supposedly waiting for the day for China to shed it's communist skin and adopt a less oppressive form of gov't (with a bill of rights).

    Of course, if that happens, China probably won't have the nationalistic frevor it does right now over Taiwan because as a nation it will already be a world power and pretty much dominant regional politics anyway (just like the U.S. and puerto rico) so it will be moot by then.
     
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    Fact, Taiwan is an independent country right now ~ as long as no one says it when China is in the room.

    This is probably why they don't want Yao or those Pandas in the country ~ if they over heard someone talking about independent Taiwan it could mean BIG trouble.
     
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    So because they gloss over it and won't humble themselves they should be hated? Just seems a bit extreme to me.

    Japan doesn't even have a naval to blockade China or an airforce to bomb it, or an army to invade it anymore. I think that's a fairly huge amount of remorse. Japan is a pacifist country now. I think that's a demonstration of regret.

    They don't even have nukes. China could wipe Japan off the map any time it wanted to. I really don't think Japan is a country China should fear anymore.
     
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    hey guys

    I wonder what's your threshold of ad nauseam?

    just checking
     
  20. B-Bob

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    Here, n approaches infinity.

    See: Spanoulis, V.
     

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