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Yao Ming Rejected for Taiwan Charity Visit, China Times Reports

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jsmee2000, Aug 25, 2007.

  1. underoverup

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    the worst thing about those missiles is the lead based paint they use for the flag emblems; kids love to eat that stuff.
     
  2. Deckard

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    Suffer from paranoia much? (don't eat too fast, might give you the runs) So you prefer China's oligarchy to democracy? Whatever floats your boat. We may currently have an idiot as President, at the moment, but the American people have already voted his political party out of power in the Congress, in those "democrazy" elections we have all the time, and will vote in someone far different from Goofus in the White House in a couple of years. Can you vote out the dictatorship that rules China? You can't? Bummer, dude.

    As for "build(ing) military bases all over the world," if you checked your facts, we've been closing bases left and right "all over the world." Our military, as powerful as it is, is a fraction of the size it once was. The number of bases the US has around the world is a fraction of what we had during the Cold War. The problem you seem to have is taking the actions of the President, a loon, to be sure, and his political party to be the fundamental political representation of the United States. That simply isn't true. Bush and his GOP political leadership, the latter, as I mentioned, voted out of power by the American people in free elections, are more an aberation than the true face of the United States. Part of a free democracy is that it allows the people to make mistakes. Another part is that it allows them to correct those mistakes. That is a process we are experiencing now.

    Clearly, with all due respect, you have a very limited amount of information, or a very limited ability to process the information you do have. I suggest that you do more to broaden your mind, if that is allowed. As for your paranoia towards Japan, you might ponder the fact that the US still, several decades after the end of WWII, has tens of thousands of our military based there. Ever ponder why? It is not simply because of regional threats to our security.



    D&D. Impeach Bush and Cheney. Promote Free Elections in China!
     
  3. tinman

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    We're ruling the world be spreading our HEROES in your children's hearts and minds.
    They are wearing NBA jerseys and listening to hiphop.
    face it, we are the world!!
     
  4. tinman

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    you guys can't even create BUBBLE TEA! Taiwan! Taiwan!
     
  5. DaRock1

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    First of all, stop speculating what is inside Yao's mind. That guy plays center for the Houston Rockets and I do not care a bit about his political views. Now, please re-read the post carefully, if you will.

    I am asking this poster for a link because I have problem with people who try to rationalize something by making up a lie. Is it clear enough for you now?
     
  6. tinman

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    DaRock1,
    we should do like China and start censoring some of these posters, they don't like our freedom, they don't like Braveheart, they don't like Tupac
     
  7. NewYorker

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    because the U.S. isn't trying to isolate China, China isolates itself from the rest of the world and has done so throughout it's history.

    The U.S. is trying to pry China open and get access to a billion people. Are you kidding me? We're capitalists first, hemegonists second. We'll sell out national interests for a buck pretty quickly...our whole gov't is one massive bribe system. In fact, Chinese companies is having a growing influence as they continue to chomp up - I'm working off of a lenovo laptop for instance.

    You guys act like we can't stand you guys, hey, you prop up our way of life. Low inflation is in part due to the cheap stuff from China, keeping interest rates low and our economy from collapsing even as it sucks manufacturing out. It's a double edged sword.

    We don't want to isolate China. That's silly, we'll never go to war with China. Why? Because it's double suicide. Our countries are so interdependent now. Our issue with China is that it isn't a free country that allows for free business or exchange of ideas. Yes, the competitive aspect is a concern, but we haven't stopped China from growing at 10%, we didn't attack china before it had nukes or before it had the missle technology to deliver a 100 Megaton warhead on Los Angeles. Why would we now?

    You've been buying into the gov't propaganda that America sees China as a threat to it's global domination. The only reason we see China comes across as a threat is because of it's increasing belligrent attitude. Bullying it's neighbors is concerning. We don't think much of your gov't, but most here don't see China as our enemy, just as a communist country that's inherently anti-American, but will probably improve after you guys get to a point where capitalism leads to democracy which leads to free exchange of ideas and less belligrent tone toward the U.S.
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm just skimming this thread but had to point out that the KMT under former president Lee Tung Hui also considered Taiwanese independence. The idea of Taiwanese independence isn't a creation of the DPP. Since the DPP took power it seems like the KMT has been pushing for closer ties to the PRC to counter DPP power when previously it (KMT) had been considering independence.

    Its a far more complicated history than the good guy vs. bad guy picture that you pain.
     
  9. pirc1

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    You mean the same Lee Tung Hui who destroyed the KMT? Sold out his party and considers himself Japanese? The biggest mistake Jr. Chiang made was appointing Lee as his successor.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    I heard they tried to make it once, but it went over like a lead balloon, so they sold the lead balloons to nursery schools across the US!
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    What's the problem? It's not like there are r****ded children at those nursery schools. No harm no foul!
     
  12. yuantian

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    too many people to reply, so i will just use one reply. i think some of you here have a good knowledge and are saying reasonable things. and i do agree with most of your points. if most people think that way, then the world would be a much more peaceful place. however, due to the biased population that visit clutchfans and argue about international politics with chinese who are bored at work. the opinion you guys are saying in no way represent the majority of the americans. heck, if the current administration are hearing what you guys are saying, they wouldn't be as bad. but from the people i have talked to, so many of them really have no idea what's going on outside of US. they only listen to what they hear on the news. which we all know are propaganda. i've heard enough propaganda against china. and, i don't think US form of democracy works in china. we will figure out a way for ourselves. don't need to copy cat. and sure as hell don't have to listen to what US have to say about what we do.
     
  13. yuantian

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    :eek: :mad: :D i better get lunch breaks :D got a little busy in the afternoon.
     
  14. Ottomaton

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    I am amused that China supporters view the fate of Taiwan as binary - become part of China or become part of the fictive USA/Japan/Korea superstate. Maybe they just want to be Taiwan? It is possible to be not part of China or this other monolithic anti-China world body. The fact that you either choose to or have been conditioned to frame the conversation this way seems dishonest to me.

    And if you would, could you find the quotes where he says he considers himself to be Japanese, please? As far as I can tell in quite a bit of searching this is not the case. All the information I can find on him shows him clearly working to distance Taiwan from Japan and China both.
     
  15. yuantian

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    not paranoid about japan. it's like this. jews don't like germans. chinese don't like japanese. isn't that simple enough?
     
  16. yuantian

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    they become US/Japan/Korea allies, not automatic. due the current situation, that's the only way they can dream about independence. without the support, there is no way.
     
  17. Ottomaton

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    Well then it is China forcing them to make that choice, so don't blame them.
     
  18. yuantian

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    who said i don't like tupac? i have a poster of him in my room. even though it's about to come down due to my old age :D
     
  19. yuantian

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    i don't think we blamed them. really, if they want democracy. move to US. the island is property of entire chinese civilization. not part of it.
     
  20. yuantian

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    they should recall bubble tea. a lot people choked to death when the pearl got stuck in their throat. it's a danger to the children :eek:
     

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