Yao Ming: Let's Hope VSpan Will Have His Change of Fortune

If we're talking about something closer to what a true "mid-range" game is, you can't simply leave out all 3's and say the rest is their mid-range game. Consider the following :

Season to-date stats on shots from inside the 3 pt. line to within about 8 ft. of the basket (leaves out layups and 3's) :

VSpan : 5-15 (33.3%)
Head : 39-123 (31.7%)
JL3 : 19-44 (43.2%)
Rafer : 45-163 (27.6%)
Snyder : 5-20 (25.0%)
Bonzi : 23-77 (29.9%)
TMac : 265-603 (43.9%)
JHo : 164-362 (45.3%)
Battier : 35-90 (38.9%)

Fact 1 : In terms of G's/SF's, they all flat out suck with the exception of JL3, maybe Shane, and TMac
Fact 2 : VSpan and JL3's numbers are skewed by the fact they played against scrubs a lot and haven't had the minutes the others have.
Fact 3 : Snyder needs a jumpshot. He's pretty much worthless if the paint gets crowded. Outside of 8 ft. and in, he's a horrific shooter. Proof? Inside of 8 ft., he's a 65.5% (36-55) shooter. Outside of about 8 ft., he's 13-51 (25.5%).


I must admit I was somewhat surprised by JL3's and Snyder's numbers. Hopefully I didn't make errors; I haven't had much of a chance to double-check them - if I did make a blunder, please feel free correct me.

 

What kind of turnovers is Vspan committing? From what I have seen the majority of them were travels and carrying calls, two of the rules the league started to crack down on this season. Is he still making the same kind of turnovers?

 

Rafer's shooting problems are nothing new either. They have been an issue for him throughout his career, wherever he is, no matter how many minutes he's played.

One thing that has never been an issue with VSpan is his overall productivity, his impact on the game he is playing in, and his ability to improve in areas of his game that he is deficient in.

 

A good portion of VSpan's turnovers have been passes that hit players in the hands or chest, that they are not used to receiving. And a good portion have come from travels and carries. Probably only about 25% of his turnovers were due to the fact he threw the ball into the seats.

 

Except for now, which is the only time I care about.

...lol this is something to be proud of?

 

he doesnt shoot a better percentage. rafer shoots bette by 2% while averagin better minutes. rafer also has a better assist:turnover ratio. VSpan is no where close to Rafer

 

If 25% of anyone's TO's go into Yao it still is the smart play. Someday someone (maybe not V-Span) might figure out what and where JVG likes it and it may not mean a damn thing in terms of Yao's "efficiency".

Too abstract after a win?

 

Silly statements like that make you a glutton for punishment. Instead of just sticking with facts, accuse someone of being a dreaded "JVG lover" when they don't agree with you. Throw that broken record away please.

 

To put those percentages in context, 2PA avgs. should be included:

2PA
2.6 Snyder .547%
2.2 JL3 .494%
14.9 Tmac .464%
1.3 V-Span .447 %
7.4 Bonzi .432%
3.7 Luther .419%
6.3 Rafer .379%

... like coin flips you need a large enough sample to get an accurate %. What a good number is might be debatable. But clearly T-mac's average is the most accurate by that criteria.

Also, there will be abberations because some nights players just shoot better than their average. AND, if shot selection is consistently poor ... then the average may reflect that more than shooting technique ...

 

Love your username !!!


But I would think that AVERAGES would knock out the worry about abberations, because it is an AVERAGE...of good and bad days.

Someone removed the layups from the survey and this gives a more accurate Mid range representation, but it would be interesting to see the layups and finishing ability......of our guards, anyone know how to get that?

DD

 

If rafer's percentage on layups (or within 5 feet of the hoop) is above 25% I'll be shocked

 

As players point out -- you have to get into a "rhythm" of shooting. If you only attempt ~2 shots per game you may never develop enough of a rhythm to get a true picture and those 2 shots may be poor shots to boot! ... alas, that is the role and burden of role players.

 

He will never replace Rafer as the starting PG.

 

According to 82games Rafer's percentage on "Close" shots (I believe these are layups) are 50.2%. For reference, Yao's is 53.6%.

http://www.82games.com/0607/06HOU2A.HTM

Maybe floaters don't count as "close" shots? Not sure how 82games does it.

 

If we use hotzones instead, Rafer's percentage of shots in the "right next to basket" zone is 44.4%, which seems more reasonable.

 

http://www.nba.com/hotzones/popup.html

 

I've read in all the threads by some fans again and again how successfull JVG has been, while Yao was recovering and that proves he's a great coach, hell give him an award " coach of the year ". Right,IMO u have 2 be blind not to see that those results were mostly bc of T-mac's phenomenal play during that time, the guy practically carried the whole team with him into success,yet i don't see him getting enough credit for that in here , instead it's all JVG great accomplishment. I don't think so. Mcgrady and sometimes Battier were the only ones that brought the team were it is now and not JVG great strategy or whatever. Again IMO JVG is not the coach for the ROX, when we got 2 superstars (YAO and T-MAC) and a trully great player (BATTIER) and talent all over the place( SNYDER,SPANOULIS) and all we're looking at is 1st or 2nd round elimination because VG can't play his cards right.
No wonder he's Barkley's best joke.
pls enough with the coach of the year bs.
when i was wearing my Hakeem The Dream sneakers in pride back in the days i had no idea someday some people would praise the "great defensive schemes" of a mediocre at best coach instead of the players that keep the team alive ( and i don't mean Alston or Head either).
Before our last game against the Suns after criticising JVG once again i wrote " i hope everything i say is wrong and we beat the Suns afterall" , no such luck.
This time i'm gonna cut down on the wishfull thinking when it comes to the championship.
By the way there's nothing in VG's carreer 2 support that he's a great coach (and don't bother cause we all know about that one year when he couldn't think of something 2 help Pat Ewing finally win a championship) just like he's ruining it now for Yao and Mcgrady.
Does Mcgrady have some phenomenal play to bring into the playoffs and can Yao dominate during the same period of time? Let's hope so and then who cares JVG fans u can have your title too. ''Coach of the Year" Yea Right .

 

So what do you think of Phil Jackson? Is he one of the greatest coaches ever? By your standard, he's just a tagalong while Jordan/Pippen or Kobe/Shaq won the rings for him.

Coaches are there to put the talent that they have in position to win games. JVG has done a fine job of that. There are plenty of instances where a bad coach has driven a talented team into the ground and caused them to underachieve.

 

The keyword in there is ''rings'' plural , u know those little things JVG doesn't have and prolly never will, at this point unfortunately for us.

 

When did JVG ever have a team like the Bulls Teams or those Lakers Champ teams? Not saying he is in Phil's league (Phil is top 3 ever), but last year we were decimated by injuries and the first season we took the Mavs seven without Juwan.

I guess Avery Johnson sucks as well b/c he has no rings and Phoenix beat them last game...