1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Yao Ming: Let's Hope VSpan Will Have His Change of Fortune

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by pryuen, Mar 21, 2007.

  1. zerhoe

    zerhoe Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2006
    Messages:
    214
    Likes Received:
    2
    isn't rafer's adjusted fg% when taking into account how many threes he shoots something like 46%. pretty sure i read that somewhere in the rockets.com mailbag recently.

    anyway hope v-span improves and gets more time to show his stuff, personally i like him. and what a way to show up your team mates picking the 32 lol! maybe with all that time on the bench he gets to watch all the college ball games lol.

    but by and by i still hope he can be that diamond in the rough, our ginobili one day...
     
  2. ikfit

    ikfit Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,174
    Likes Received:
    0
    Oh? really?
    when I read this, first, I think it is because vspan has a lot of time to watch NCAA.
     
  3. SuperYanthrax

    SuperYanthrax Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2007
    Messages:
    273
    Likes Received:
    0
    The quote at the end by Yao about Spanoulis (which is what we're all focusing on) is very neutral and noncommittal IMO. He said, "Hopefully he will have similar good luck on the court," referencing the fact that Spanoulis is somehow winning the Rockets March Madness pool. The "on the court" I think is a general statement regarding his play and PT, and a play at the fact that he's winning the pool, not really saying that he needs to play better. I think everyone knows and agrees his time here has been disappointment (whose fault it is we can discuss, I think it's own fault but that's immaterial here), and that's what Yao's getting at, not exactly what pryuen is trying to imply. Yao is saying, you're winning the pool, hopefully your luck goes over into your time on the court, not exactly criticizing his play. Yao is not the type to throw his teammates under the bus.
     
  4. Amel

    Amel Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    10,635
    Likes Received:
    5,708
    D! how can you throw in statistics with Span playing just a few of minutes....you can't compare him to Rafer yet...at least statistically
     
  5. wnes

    wnes Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2003
    Messages:
    8,196
    Likes Received:
    19
    There is no reference in the original article to V-Span's "on-court performance." The only way one can spin is that Yao was implying V-Span was treated unjustly by JVG.

    V-Span deserves a better coach. JVG sucks.
     
  6. VicVictory

    VicVictory Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    0
    That stat is inflated. I highly doubt V-Span could shoot that well if he had took as much shots as Rafer and played as many minutes. Not to mention he did all his work during garbage time against other scrubs when the game is just about over.

    Don't get me wrong, I too want V-Span to either be backup or start next season. But it's all on V-Span to improve his game over the summer, which is when everybody gets better. This season, he was just simply not ready.
     
  7. SuperYanthrax

    SuperYanthrax Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2007
    Messages:
    273
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't think your interpretation is correct. I think Yao is just wishing Spanoulis well in general. Yao would never throw JVG under the bus, and he wouldn't throw Spanoulis under the bus either.

    JVG sucks so much.... that the team is now 43-25, with 3 months without Yao, the best center in the NBA, and now that Yao is back, the team is rolling without any hiccups. A lot of us expected that there would be an adjustment period where the team would play poorly when Yao came back, but nope, JVG has managed to integrate him back without causing the team to lose. Just because a scrub is underutilized... that means JVG sucks? Seriously, I imagine if the Rockets win the title this year there will still be holdout JVG haters, and they will still be as loud as before.
     
  8. wnes

    wnes Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2003
    Messages:
    8,196
    Likes Received:
    19
    Don't try to act like pryuen. :)

    You know opinion is always subject to interpretation.

    Winning the title this year? I'd say that's quite a leap of faith even for most fanatic JVG lovers.

    If the Rockets can get to WCF, I'll be glad to upgrade my rating on the JVG stock from "underperform" to "marketperform."
     
    #28 wnes, Mar 21, 2007
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2007
  9. VicVictory

    VicVictory Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    0
    "Underperform"? Is that a word? Anyways, no other coach would have kept us winning like JVG did when YAO was out. Seriously, what did you expect this team to do this year with the injury to Yao and even T-Mac missed some games? I don't get how people can blame JVG for losing games, but give him no credit whatsoever when we win loads of games without our main star.
     
  10. Blake

    Blake Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    9,960
    Likes Received:
    2,985
    Man, if VSpan could learn to hit a 3, I would be his biggest supporter!
     
  11. wnes

    wnes Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2003
    Messages:
    8,196
    Likes Received:
    19
    Yeah, "underperform" is a word. Look it up, not under.

    Evaluation of JVG cannot be based solely on regular season record, playoff success should be the ultimate criterion. But to JVG lovers, anything he does amounts to midas touch.
     
  12. VesceySux

    VesceySux World Champion Lurker
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    7,552
    Likes Received:
    234
    I was totally going to post something similar. Billy has had a total of 63 field goal attempts this year to date, while Rafer has had 857. Thus, Billy has only taken 7% of the shots that Rafer has. I'm not bashing V-Span or propping up Rafer here; I'm just looking at this from a statistical analysis standpoint. You just cannot accurately compare the two with Billy's small sample size.
     
  13. VesceySux

    VesceySux World Champion Lurker
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    7,552
    Likes Received:
    234
    ... And to JVG haters, anything he touches needs to be taken to Midas (the car repair shop).

    Please don't pretend to be holier than thou. Your s*** smells the same as everyone else's.
     
  14. VicVictory

    VicVictory Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    0
    Wow, what great logic. If it wasn't for all those wins with Yao out, we wouldn't be talking 5th seed and probably be fighting for the 8th seed into the playoffs, maybe worst. So yeah, I like how you completely ignore our regular season success that has helped us to get into the playoffs. Once again, another JVG Hater shows their level of basketball intelligence.
     
  15. JeopardE

    JeopardE Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    7,418
    Likes Received:
    246
    Heh. Rockets fans psycho-analyzing a flippant remark by Yao about Spanoulis over March Madness. I guess that's why this site is what it is, but seriously. It doesn't get any more inconsequential than this.
     
  16. Blake

    Blake Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    9,960
    Likes Received:
    2,985
    I wanted to start a thread about this, but it's kind of worthless to do so, so I will post it here.

    I am not a huge JVG fan. There are a lot of things that bother me about him. At the beginning of this season, I felt (and still do) that this season would be make or break for him being our coach.

    I didn't like his offense, I thought he was too negative, etc...

    HOWEVER, have you ever stopped to think that people like you that constantly bash him (when he IS doing a great job) turn people like me into what appears to be "JVG lovers"?

    I mean seriously, the only reason why I defend him so much now is because THIS SEASON he is doing a helluva job YET tons of you still rip him to shreds. That makes me defend a guy that I have never been crazy about to begin with and makes you look like a broken record blind to facts
     
  17. DonkeyMagic

    DonkeyMagic Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,600
    Likes Received:
    3,479
    like jvg or not, saying he sucks is just ridiculous.

    at the very least, a reasonable person realizes that jvg is at least a 'good' coach.
     
  18. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,577
    Likes Received:
    40,931
    Don't mind wnes. He still thinks the Rockets messed up by not getting a #1 draft pick for Derek Anderson. That's the kind of thing you have to do when you're whining about the Coach of the Year.
     
  19. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390

    Yeah, that's why Billy's high turnover ratio really doesn't mean anything, because he hasn't played enough minutes. If he were given consistent minutes, his turnover ratio would come down drastically and his assists would jump as his teammates got used to expecting the ball from him.


    The glass is half full or half empty, however you want to look at it.
     
  20. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,577
    Likes Received:
    40,931
    His turnover problems are nothing new and have been an issue for him throughout his career, wherever he is, no matter how many minutes he's played.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now