yao can't guard big guy who can either shoot 3 and more agily than him, this is the fact since yao stepped into this league, it's been 6 years, i think it should be sovled, but not. rick, you gotta figure it out, either you prove you're more excellant than other 29 coaches who can lead to champ, or you're proved as mediocre as other 28.
A thread I have thought of starting cerning Yao Ming is titled "Will Yao Ming at least duplicate what Moses Malone and Hakeem Olajuwon did for the Rockets, which is at least lead them to the NBA Finals?" Right now, I only feel like waiting until this season is over for the Rockets before doing such a thing. I think that it would be a shame if he couldn't do it. It might even resemble what Kareem Abdual Jabbar couldn't do after being traded to the Lakers, which is lead them to the NBA Finals, that is, until Magic Johnson arrived, or what David Robinson couldn't do with the Spurs (lead them to the NBA Finals) until Tim Duncan arrived. Maybe the Rockets need another real impact player to arrive much like what the Lakers or the Spurs managed to get in the NBA Draft (I might say good luck on that happening given the Rockets' draft history).
makes no difference how high the defender jump, the rim is always 10" off the ground. Good point about his slowness thou, but if its a dunk, no one can block it unless they want to get themself injured--> Milsap on Shaq.
Agree. That proves the point again that it wasnt Okur lighting up Yao like a Christmas tree. If your man's name is Chuck Hayes or Juwan Howard and he doesnt make it hard for you to guard him (by not scoring even ONE point), its way easier to go apply some physical help defense on Yao. Might as well have sent Deron over there too, whats Rafer or Head gonna do to you? After last years playoffs, notice how we dont hear the "How Do We Stop Boozer?" talk anymore after a guy like Scola went after him on both ends of the court. I am admitting Yao can be gameplanned against. If there's any star player that can be made to look ordinary its Yao. Moves well for his size but overall he's still a stiff compared to other players. And his temperant, though he's hard working and sincere with his effort, he's just not a rip you apart dominator guy every game.
Are you yourself 7.6"? How do you know what Yao feels? Yao has shown he could jump, he could dunk IF HE WANTS and IF HE PUTS HIS MIND TO IT.
Smits's career per-game averages were not merely "a little bit worse," his stats were significantly lower across the board. When you get into more advanced stats like PER, TS%, and rebounding %, Smits loses by even more. And Yao has faced the likes of Shaq, Duncan, Howard, and Amare. As well as playing in an era with no "illegal defense," allowing additional defenders to sag in closer to the paint. He was a 13 and 5 player, probably the 3rd best player on the 2000 Pacers. The things Rockets fans will say about their own star player on their own board.
well, yao's career not finished yet and you know hes going downhill now which means his stats would just be worse in next couple of years. and you know rik only plays like 30mins at most per game back to the old days. lol? now you talking about duncan and amare, i thought yao fans would never take TD and amare as C as i said, rik smits was just a better than average player back to the old days due to the LEGENDNARY PLAYERS he facing. if he plays today, i would say hes even better than yao ming lol. He was a 13 and 5 player, probably the 3rd best player on the 2000 Pacers. The things Rockets fans will say about their own star player on their own board. [/QUOTE] ye he was a 3rd best player in that pacer. our big fellow is the 3rd best player in this team too. dont tell me hes the best center etc, yao never got in 1st team or def team and no any titles yet(no MVP, no D of the year etc). ron at least got D of the year and tmac was the best scorer
So use per-minute stats, and compare them from when they were young to their primes. Yao beats him still. Per-minute stats still favor Smits because he played in a faster-paced era than Yao did (the Nash-Marion-Amare Suns would be slow if they played in the 90s). I don't care what the semantics are, the fact is that they were often the biggest guys on the court for their teams, and Yao has faced them. It amazes me that you're saying Yao is the "3rd best player in this team" when McGrady and Artest are playing like crap so far. Artest especially, with his 0.354 FG%. You sir, are a Yao hater. Yao has lost All-NBA 1st and 2nd Team selections to injuries, or complete BS shafting (i.e., Ben Wallace picked over him a couple season ago). Our current T-Mac is a far cry from the guy who led the league in scoring half a decade ago. Defensive Team selections are subjective bull that is almost meaningless due to the lack of quantitative analysis.
What a joke. How can you seriously believe what you are typing? Hell, I'll be happy if he would dunk like...well anyone. I don't think anyone expects Yao to tear down the rim, touching it would be fine with me. I think you are forgetting one important thing, the 5 is supposed to be dominating down low. What he does from the outside is a bonus. Yao is an outstanding shooting 5, and the best all around 5 in the league in my opinion. There is no reason that he should be attempting to lay up a 3 footer. No one is asking him to be more than what he is...problem is, he is 7'6"...and you look at any player in the league that "can" be above the rim from close range, and they will attempt to "finish". Layups can be blocked, blocked dunks gets your player on the line. I want Yao at the line if his dunk gets blocked. Explain to me why you think a he should continue to lay the ball up and get it swatted away or rim it out? Dunking is a no brainer, why do you think Shaq, Howard, and Amare do it...it's the highest percentage shot on the floor, and they can't shoot from the outside. Nobody in their right mind would think to ask Yao to stop what he is doing from the outside.
Yao is giving us 100 percent of what he has. I'm sick of people like you bashing him all the time. If you honestly think he is not trying his best, then you have room to talk. You have to understand his limitations and his style of play. Just look at how much he has already progressed from the past few years. There will never be another center like Hakeem so don't ask for it.
I just watched the replay over and over of that final possession. Sorry, but Yao could've have dunked that. That was a lame attempt that resembles a wet napkin. I know he's giving it 100%+, but his mentality is and will forever be that of a cup of pudding. If he goes up with authority then at least he gets the foul called.
So you are ok with him getting his layups blocked, when all he has to do is put a second hand on the ball and drop it over that little red ring? Do you honestly know the game of basketball? The key to getting points is putting the ball through the little red ring, it has to go 100% through the little red ring. I never said he's not giving 100%. I'm betting Rafer is giving 100% when he lobs up the tear drop...problem is that it's not a high percentage shot. A lay up inside 5 feet with 2 or more 6'6"+ defenders right next to you is not a high percentage shot, unless you are counting on it being blocked. How can you honestly think that he should continue trying to lay the ball in instead of dunking it. A dunk does not mean he has to bring the equipment to the floor.
So now you are back tracking to project his "declining." So let's just look at Smits at his peak. In his best 3 seasons, he averaged about 18 ppg and 7 rpg. Yao already achieve that scoring average in his second year and 2 rpg more than Rik could ever do. People moan about Yao's rebounding for his size. Wait till they watch Smits. Your "slightly worse" just doesn't fly with facts. You still haven't answered the question about the double-without-the-ball rule. How would Smits (and the likes of Daughtery for that matter) play in today's no-illegal defense rule? That's the craziest way to judge who is the best player on the team. And you are the only person I've met who believes that Yao is the THIRD best player we have.
nobody says he needs to dunk like them, but he CAN SIMPLY DUNK. remember that dunk in the wiz game? remember that dunk on malik rose v. the knicks where he dribble from near the 3pt line? remember that dunk v. the clips? he can dunk. it's whether yao wants to or not. that's the problem. there are times where he thinks a simple layup is good enough. last game v. the pacers, that last shot, yao should have gone up stronger. could he have dunk it? i don't know. but had he gone up stronger, a foul might have been called rather than just put it up softly. it's all about mentality.
nobody is doubting his effort. but we are doubting his aggressiveness. dunking is not a limitation BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN HIM DUNK WITH AGGRESSION, OVER PEOPLE... unless we never see him dunk before, then it's a limitation. it's not like he's chuck hayes.
yao leas the league in shots blocked, and he's the tallest player in the NBA. something has gotta change. he can easily get to the line 10+ times if he simply tries to "attempt" to dunk every time he's near the basket. that would make yao more dominant, and make us a much better team.
first of all im just saying they have similar stats and efficiency. i never said rik got better stats. during rik smitz' prime season he could score average 18+ poinst per game while he never was 1st option in the team. and yao was our 1st offence option back to JVG's time.they both have around 50% besides our team never passed 1st rd in playoff. yao has much to prove in playoffs. comparing with the bigmans in 90s, you really think yao's opponents are tough and better? sure i dont like yao since day 1 but no im not a yao hater. ron just got in a new team and supposed to be a shooter in this team but the truth is he was never a good shooter. tmac due to injury, yes he sux rite now but dont forget that tmac did carry us to playoff couple of years ago and did finish the 22winning steak with the team. what about yao? hes in this team 7 years already and what he got? we got ownd in playoffs just because he cant get the rebounds and shooting% was terrible as a C, LOL anyway he didnt get in 1st,2nd team, of course there are tons of excuses u could find. and yes all those titles are meaningless, yao still is the best center who can beat D.H 1on1. gg
A lot of people don't understand that, especially the Yao onlys. They think we want Yao to shatter the glass every time down. We just want him to go up strong. There's a reason Dwight Howard leads the league in attempts.... he goes up strong. Teams would be more afraid to foul Yao if he went up strong due to his high FT%. Then he'd be getting free passes to the rim, unlike Dwight and Shaq who get intentionally fouled. The way teams are now all they have to do is slap Yao on the wrist and they know that would be enough to blow the marshmallow layups without getting a foul called.
