Yao Ming and T-Mac: Too much risk, not enough reward

Very insightful response. Thanks for your feedback, come again.

 

are u serious ?

 

Look what Adelman has been able to do with "willing" Players. Mcgrady has no heart, you cant blame that on the coach, Yao is soft, He once said he wont dunk on another player because its disrespectful. Yao has talent and is a good player but doesnt have the agility and power, also because he is a giant he gets pounded by all the biggest players in the NBA. Coaching staff is doing fantastic with what they have.

 

Even Hayes has a shoe contract....money? your guys begin to worry money now?

 

Im having fun on the Lakers forum...they give us credit more than this OP

 

"Stacy", LMAO!

This thread could have been presented a little bit better but if the Rockets are able to pull off one of the greatest playoff upsets ever (and believe me the media will definitely say that regardless of how us homers think) and make it to the WCF, there will be talk about this. Personally, I think it is a combination of Adelman's best offenses work better with a center playing the high post like Divac did compared to having someone always posting down low AND the fact that Yao is probably too slow, footspeed-wise, to really flourish in Adelman's offense.

 

Adelman has proven he can create effective offenses with different sets of players. I don't blame him.

It's the players. Yao and Tracy have to play in a very specific way to be effective, and it doesn't always mesh. And its taken a while to build up the necessary talent around those two, because of past bad contracts, unfortunate decisions like wasting money on Bonzi Wells and Steve Francis, and a lack of high lottery picks.

 

Ghey.

 

Wow, such a vicious and ignorant post.
Only fact would let you open your eyes. I too would like to see how this Rockets team without Yao could do, so trade him please.

 

You're completely misreading what I posted. I am not taking credit away from what the Rox have done up to this point, I am simply posing questions. Why is it that the Rox are able to play better with both Yao and Stacy out?

 

The question is, who is to be given credit?

What we have here is the deepest most complete team in the NBA. You take away the two best players off any team in the NBA, they will not make the playoffs, except for us.


I think the public gives yao and tracy too much criticism for our failures, up until this year they didn't have much help around them (last year tracy had a little, no where near to this year).


What we are all being reminded is that basketball is a team sport. Everyone is watching a solid team without a superstar, and they are wondering why we are winning?

 

I blame McGrady for not training properly to rehabilitate his knee.

I blame Yao's parents and their DNA for Yao's leg/foot problems.

I blame bad GM's prior to Daryl Morey.

 

I always thought Yao was right in weight and shape for his height when he was a rookie. He has the agility, skills and he is good. Then came JVG who bulked him up to a solid low post player but a player of his height with the additional mass may not be good for his legs.

 

Another stupid knee-jerk reaction. Just because we won Game 4 without Yao, all of sudden we don't need him anymore.

The fact of the matter is we need to stack up good players surround Yao, which we have done. Isn't Lebron a great player? isn't Kobe a great player? Those great players needed supporting cast and a great coach. why can't Yao?

This summer, you can expect us getting picks and draftees, don't expect us moving into any major trades or FA signing. Unless someone willing to take on Tmac's contract.

The question to morey is that would Tmac to be back and at percentage of his game will be effected? does he still fit into our goal?

you guys have been asking how much should we offer to sign Yao. heck, my answer is look at Duncan. He took a pay cut. If rockets really get to get under the cap to sign a good player, i think Yao would be willing to do that in a heart beat.

 

Who cares bro....just be happy and stop with the stupid post....easy for u to understand?

 

"Stacy"?

If you are insulting Tracy McGrady by giving him a more girly sounding name FYI "Stacy" isn't always gender specific.

To answer your question. The pure Adelman / Princeton offense isn't very well suited for a slow moving big man since it requires a lot of motion including the bigs. Like it or not the Divac, Brad Millers and Nowitzkis of the NBA are better suited since they can pass, shoot and drive out of the high post. Also since ball movement and movement without the ball is also important a player like McGrady who needs the ball to create doesn't do that well in it compared to a Stojakovic or Turkoglu who move well without the ball and try to get open for spot up shots.

Adelman doesn't run a typical Adelman type offense when Yao is in and has said so himself but runs a a modified version that sets up like a traditional half court to get the ball to Yao but when that doesn't work moves the ball around to an open shooter or cutter. This is what we saw a lot of in the Portland series where the Blazers cut off Yao so the Rockets move the ball to find someone else open, often Scola.

When both Yao and T-Mac are in he runs more traditional half court sets using a lot of pick and roll. He's also been using that more to free up Brooks, Wafer and Lowry on drives. I noticed with Tmac and sometimes with Brooks he will also run a spread offense with Iso plays for the ball handler to create.

I would hesitate to blame the players or Adelman for why Yao and Tmac aren't scoring 30 + points all the time. Yao and T-Mac aren't suited for a Princeton style offense which Adelman recognizes at the same time Adelman values balanced scoring which is why he doesn't always seem to be game planning for one or two players to carry the scoring load. That is a weakness in one sense but it is also one of the strengths of Adelman teams that there are multiple options on offense.

 

I think we can put to rest the idea that Yao is soft. Yao has been anything but soft through game 3 of the playoffs.

 

Was Yao utilized well under Adelman's system? Clealy his stat regressed but the team is winning and we finally able to win without TMac and most importantly, we got out of first round. So I can only say it is all good.

But then I ask myself, are other Rockets utilized well under Adelman's system along with Yao?

We'll see how this series end up. If the remaining Rockets keep playing like game 4, win or lose, I think the answer is pretty clear.

As much as I like Yao (and he is the only reason I joined this community), if the production of other rockets continuously improve vastly during the series, I think I can only admit that Yao simply does not fit with Adelman's system, not only he cannot play to his full strength, his teammates couldn't too.

This summer is going to be very interesting.

 

Stupid post? What is so stupid about it? The only stupid thing I see here are your responses...

 

Say no more. Agree.

Yao certainly is not the one who can bring a champ. But no other center can do that in the league today. I say the best case is you use Yao as blue-collar center, like damp@Mavs. Have someone like Wade or CP3 or any smaller all star player, you will get the promised land.

Let Yao/T-mac walk is stupid.