Yao Ming and T-Mac: Too much risk, not enough reward

things would not be valuable before they were gone

 

that is probably the thing. keep yao and mac for less, build around another young superstar or two. i really think they can contribute to a championship but not lead to one

 

You can't win a title when your best player averages 19 points and 9 boards a game unless you have two other guys who can average 18/19 points per game. And you can't have two other guys average 18/19 points per game when Yao needs the entire offense built around him, due to his physical limitations, in order to play effectively.

For Yao to lead a team to a title he needs to be able to drop 35 points a game when his team needs it. He's never going to be able to do that.

Also, even if you believe Yao is the best offensive center in basketball, he's still only the 12th or 15th best offensive player in basketball and you don't win titles with the 15th best offensive player in basketball being the focal point of your offense.

 

people may think we're building around yao. but if you watch how we play this season, not everything depends on yao. that's why we can play well with or without yao. he's just the face of this franchise.

we were like the detroit pistons this year offensively.

 

I get the point of the thread, but talking about this at this point is quite frustrating.

Also remember that we cannot trade Yao to whatever team we want, we need an OK from NBA China. So trading Yao is really really difficult, NBA china says the teams that we can trade yao to, and that makes those teams very strong in the negotiations.

Then is the subject about McGrady, this guy is.. i don´t know, but i bet no team will want him, maybe if he can´t play some asks for the expiring contract he is, but not really sure that those teams will have something we can use.

But it´s quite frustrating to see that we are playing without 35 million dollars in cap space, because we wont be able to have players like Scola, Wafer, Brooks, Landry and Lowery making a combined 9 million dollars, for many more years.

Morey is really letting our supporting cast down. At least he found Artest.

 

You can't win with a 20/10 guy? Hakeem, Duncan, Kareem, Shaq beg to differ.

There's so much hate and ignorance in that post. I refuse to respond. I'll respond to somebody else.

 

Reward or not, I love these guys!

Yao plays hard every night and has put in so much work to his career, I hope it'll pay off one day. Tracy might half-ass a lot of regular season games, but he gives his heart in every playoff game that he's played. I love both of these guys, and wish that one day they can both be healthy, and with the squad we have now, we could win a championship with everyone healthy. I just hope it happens for them... High risk or not, I love rooting for these guys, and will not turn my back on them!

 

Thank you for optimistic thinking. Some people call themselves fans around here?

Well at least you are.

 

hakeem during the championship years put up 27, 11, 3.5 blocks a game. in the ENTIRE playoffs, hakeem put up 30 points per game.

shaq during his championship years put up 27-28ppg, 12rpg, 3bpg; in the playoffs, he put up a ridiculous 30 and 15.

duncan in his prime put up 23ppg, 13rpg, 3bpg; playoffs - 24-27ppg, 12-14rpg

and we all know kareem is the scoring leader in history. no need to explain.

yao this playoffs is putting up 17 and 10.

 

i love them too. but injuries happen every year. i'll still cheer for tracy or yao if they stay on this team or another team. but rocket fans desperately need a championship. DESPERATELY. and we're "that close"

 

do u believe we can pass blazers without yao?or even get in playoff without him?

 

What's your point? Yao is not a Top 5 center of all-time? What are you captain obvious?

What do you want this get to put? 50/25. I bet you still would say he's underachieving with that height. With the defense the way it is today for post players, It's hard for him to do that especially with the way certain defense's play him.

Honestly, I'd like to see some optimistic posts from you instead of saying Yao is underachieving all the time. I'd like to see ONE post.

 

Too much overreaction on these boards. When we play great and Yao hits 25+ pts everyone sings his praises and demands he be voted MVP. When he plays poorly there is understandable frustration, but then some suggest he should be traded

At least wait until the season is over before speculating on roster changes. If these Rockets can eliminate the Lakers without both Tmac and Yao (ie not just winning one game) THEN the idea of replacing Yao might be considered... but let's wait until the summer and see what happens until then.

 

umm... you brought up those comparisons.

i respect yao. he's the best offensive center in the game today BAR NONE. if this game had zero double teams, yao would be ridiculously dominant. but then, no defense would be played. all i'm saying is adding his physical limitations + injuries, it's impossible to build around him.

but he is >> dwight howard

 

Well you got your opinion, and the rest of clutchfans has theirs. It's fine if you think Yao is never going to be a leader never going to be great. Luckily their are about 1000 more clutchfans than you with different more optimistic opinions.

 

nba china? you mean CBA(chinese basketball association?) and I think the government might be involved as well.

 

This is the best team in the NBA if Tmac and Yao were actually healthy.

NO DOUBT about it, only team that compares are the Celtics.

Had Tmac and Yao been healthy...and had Tmac been focused...this year it would be Celtics-Rockets finals.

Celtics play with a lot of hearth too just like our guys, are short a star and major key player, and they have stretched a series that no one expected them to have a chance at just like us.

Had Tmac and Yao been together with the rest of these guys all year long...NO DOUBT in my mind we'd be leading 3-1 right now. Lakers team is soft, if they ain't prove nothing else they proved this.

Tmac and Yao will get one more shot at this.

Artest will resign unless a major contender throws the dough at him. I know he sees what we all see...this is a championship team. Unless the Lakers, Celts, Spurs, Cavs, or Magic maybe are willing to pay him he will stay here. I don't see him downgrading going to a up and coming team like Portland.

Tmac will get until the trade deadline to prove he's still good. If we're doing great we'll keep him if not he'll be traded i'm guessing.

Yao just needs to stay healthy. Get a backup Center somewhere to hold off the inevitable as long as possbile.

This is a championship team, I feel that way. It seems to me we just dropped the puzzle and have to pick up the pieces. Pieces are already there, they just need to be picked up again and put in the right place.

 

Honestly i would love to trade tmac's contract to the clippers for Baron Davis and Marcus Camby. Davis makes up for tmacs scoring...sort of..and camby is the perfect shot blocking/ hybrid pf/c for our team. Or we can trade his contract to the bulls for Hinrich and Gordon. Either one sounds good to me

 

NO NO, i am quite sure that to send Yao to the nba, the chinese goverment created NBA China, Nba China is a partner of NBA, that manages Chinese players contracts.

It´s a David Stern creation to allow chinese players to be employed by their goverment overseas, but it is controlled by chinese goverment.

I remember them pushing Yi away from Milwakee, also, that contract is the one that says that Yao cannot say NO to the Chinese National Team.

 

How ironic the only 2 players sitting on the sidelines that were on the opening day roster, are the 2 main players we've always counted on the most and the 2 thats always let us down with injury.