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Yao is the main problem

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Dec 23, 2003.

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  1. Donatello

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    Wow, SF is so valuable.
     
  2. Xenogears

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    Yup, they go from a loser team with him....to a even bigger loser team without him. Great accomplishment! Just hand him the MVP trophy now!:rolleyes:
     
  3. Juugie

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    And they stayed a loser team with Yao Ming. At least Francis being out made a difference in W's and L's.

    Yao coming here hasn't.
     
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    Yao is too soft he needs to take command or just get more aggressive.

    These past few games he looks tired and worn out.
    wonder if this is how it's gonna be every year when he keeps playing back and forth in china.

    awful if you ask me
     
  5. zoork34

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    yet. hasnt made a difference yet. hes young, give him a chance. its early in the season. we might make the playoffs, we might not. but do yall realize how weird the NBA is? how extremely good the west is? who coudl have predicted utah to not suck all that much, denver to be in the top of the west, etc. i would be happy to make the playoffs at all this year with the team we have. this could be a team, like the denver broncos in the nfl, where we dont win any championships until our best player is towards the end of his career. (john elway/yao ming) and we finally get that running back/power forward (terrel davis/who knows) who completes the team. maybe thats a really bad comparison, but thats what i feel like. anyway, marry xmas and go rockets, beat the freaking lakers!
     
  6. gasnapalm

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    Last year our offense hardly focused on yao, league leading defense hasnt made a diff? Wait till all star break to see whats made a difference and what hasnt btw...
    glad to see you admitting that francis has led this team nowhere in his 5 seasons seeing as how inclined you are to stevie's nuts
     
  7. gasnapalm

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    If you truly went to the game you would have seen yao at times get perfect position but the guards were taking too long getting the ball up the court and then dribbling before even looking to pass it in which then allows the defender to front him. That makes his battling for position useless. If he knows hes not going to get the ball he's just going to stop battling and remain passive.Did you watch those numerous pick and rolls in which he was left wide open on the roll? I was sitting in nosebleed and everyone around me was stating the obvious.

    And This outmuscled thing is becoming a very annoying cliche, anyone who thinks that a player is fronted equates to him being outmuscled has never played a pickup basketball game. Any quicker player can front another player shaq is fronted all the time. The difference between fronting shaq and fronting yao is the the laker guards know how to throw a lob pass over the defender.
     
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    umm, even though he didnt make the playoffs, 3/4 of his seasons they produced winning records...
     
  9. canoner2002

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    SF has been horrible since the Nets game! He is shooting around 30% and turning the ball a lot. He sould be responsible for our struggling this season.

    Recent record of 3-5 and Yao's averaging 13/7 shows just how much this team sucks when Yao is not involved!
     
  10. canoner2002

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    If our outside shots don't fall, then even Dream II won't be able to save us.

    If our FG is above 40% then we almost always win. Yao's shooting is rarely below 40%. So it is the awful shooting of the rest of the team that cost us a lot of games.
     
  11. Jonhty

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    i don't know if you can blame Yao for passing on 1-on-1 situations and taking only 4 shots. in the interviews I've seen given by Yao, some of which in Chinese, he keeps bringing up the importance of ball movement to Rockets offense. and almost every time we win, he attributes it to us moving the ball well. it seems to me that Yao buys too much into this ball movement concept and trusting your teammates stuff. I'm sure he was told to take advantage of mismatchs in 1-on-1 situations. but he seems to have this maybe false hope that an extra pass out of 1-on-1 situation would create better scoring opportunity for his teammates. the other explanation as to why he passes out is that he's not confident enough to take his defender up 1-on-1.
     
  12. Juugie

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    Steve led his team to a winning record twice which may have kept them a game out of the playoffs a couple of years, but it wasn't a LOSING team.
     
  13. Juugie

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    The difference with the lob is that Shaq can actually jump so you can throw it up high and not get a turnover. The guy fronting Yao can almost all the time jump higher than he can. You do the physics. If you throw the pass high enough that the fronting player can't get it and Yao can't gte as high as the fronting player, that means that Yao can't get to it either.
     
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    http://www.bbhighway.com/Talk/Coaching_Box/Ask_Coach/atc_q350.asp

    Question 350- We have a very big team and we try to get the ball inside, but we are not consistently successful. What is the best way to teach guards and forwards to effectively make the pass into the post?

    Stephen Oates

    Coach Oates,

    Height does not guarantee your success at scoring inside. It sounds like you are on the right track in terms of understanding where the inconsistency may lie. I will address a couple of different areas in answering your question including some basic technique for post passing, the possibility that your offensive structure and spacing may be partially at fault, and taking a look at your scouting of opponents. Each of these may be contributing in some way to your inconsistent post play.

    The basic rules of passing to the post are as follows. Never pass to a low post when the passer is above the free throw line extended. Instead have your wings take a purpose dribble to improve their passing angle and make it less likely the ball can be deflected or stolen by help defenders. Use the bounce pass to the baseline side but teach your players to fake up as if they are going to make a direct air pass to get their defender to raise up creating more space for the bounce pass. The bounce pass to the baseline side is difficult for the defense to steal or deflect. Use the air pass to enter the ball to a post player to the inside shoulder of the low post, making a two handed pass beginning above the shoulders and being caught by the post player also above the shoulders.

    The air pass above the shoulders should also be used when the ball is rapidly reversed from one side of the court to the other as the bounce pass is slow and allows defenders to recover position. Another good teaching tip is to tell your players to pass to the post only when they can see both numbers on their teammates jersey. Often a post player will call for the ball and be turned perpendicular to the passer which is a very poor passing angle. The post player should make any defender come through the widest part of their body to deflect or intercept the ball. See the numbers, look to pass the ball, simple as that. The air pass should also be used of course when a player has seal off a fronting defender and a lob pass is required to get the ball to this post player.

    While there are occasions when the lob pass is a terrific deterrent to a fronting defense, I like my teams to make one more additional pass prior to lobbing the ball to improve the angle of the pass (so it's not directly over the top of the defender), and because it allows the fronted attacker to choose a hard flash to the ball if the defender suddenly releases the fronting position to close down on a potential lob. In others words I like the "flat angle lob" versus the "over the top lob" in almost all situations. It's easier to catch, and less likely to be deflected or intercepted by a help defender. This because as the ball moves so should all help defenders minimizing the chance they will sit and play centerfield on the pass.

    When the ball is above the free throw line I like my teams to use a second post player flashing to the high post area as the entry pass to create a high-low between two big players. The high post pass is difficult to defend and it has the added advantage of pulling another big defender away from the basket.

    Now if you are teaching these basic post passing skills and still having problems getting the ball inside consistently, you might take a look at your basic offensive structure and spacing. If your team's strength is really inside, it would not come as a surprise that teams would pack it in and leave your perimeter game to beat them. If teams are doing this to you, try using more movement of your perimeter players off of post screens to force the defense to play you more honestly. Options like baseline staggered screens, or the low post-elbow staggered screen put more pressure on wing defenders to be actively defending the cutters and less likely to be able to help down on the low post. Many teams use a basic triangle to enter the ball down low. If this is bringing too many defenders into the picture, and you are having trouble maintaining spacing consider putting three attackers to the weak side and go with a two man game. You can even use pick and roll to get the ball inside out of the two man game as an option. It is my guess that your problems are a combination of these things; position recognition, pass technique, spacing, and ball movement to stretch the defense and keep them honest.

    One last area you may want to consider is that your opponents are doing a better job of scouting and preparing for you then you are for them. I keep a card file and game reports on every opponent we ever play, going back several years. Prior to upcoming games I review defensive tendencies and tactics used by specific coaches to defense our posts. If we find a team has tendencies to play behind the post we may adjust our offensive to attack in a different way. Your inconsistency may be more a result of your opponents adjustments from game to game than your players skills. Confidence in passing into the post is a direct result of a clear understanding of how you will attack every situation. Be sure you have done your homework and prepared your team for a variety of defensive tactics and polish them in practice the week of the games to increase your teams effectiveness.

    Thanks for Asking the Coach
     
  15. Rocket River

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    so you would take
    NASH and the Rocket's 5
    versus Steve and the Dallas 5????

    Rocket River
     
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    i don't agree
    I think Nash looks good because of his surroundings
    Nowitski, Finley, Jamison, Walker

    Rocket River
     
  17. Rocket River

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    EXACTLY@!!!!!

    Rocket River
     
  18. gotoloveit2

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    No wonder you funked your physics, or may be you never took it.
    Yao is at least half a foot taller and 30 lb heavier than the fronting man most of the time. If you have a taller and heavier guy leaning on you, let me see how high you could jump , JUgee.
     
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    Exactly , my foot. I had the game on tape. There were 2 plays within a few minutes span during the 3rd quarter that Yao set up a high pick for Cat, rolled to the basket, WIDE OPEN and WAVING his arms and NEVER got the ball back. Instead Cat passed the ball to someone else on top of the key and resulted in a broken play. There were your two of many "touches" that Yao should have gotten. If we were talking about the last game, Yao was always double-teamed once he had the ball near the paint. Honestly, could you tell me how many times Yao was left alone 1 on 1. If he did pass the ball out, it was almost always for someone who had an open look. STOP PAMPERING EACH OTHER. I must say I hate some of these old timers here.
     
  20. farhan007

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    I know, arnt they just always right!!!
     

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