Yao is not better than Wang yet, not now

Here is a question for all those who are Wang's fans.

Are people coming out to see Wang? Afterall, he was the "best player from China" last year. Now, in comes Yao Ming and they sellout the Arena in Oakland and I don't think it was the USA Team they came to watch.

And as an offensive player, I think Wang is decent. But he was in a high power offensive team with no defense. He wasn't better then the players in front of him. That is too bad.

If, just if, let's assume that Wang is an offensive equal to the other Mavs players, then let's assume that he plays defense. Do you think that Coach Nelson will just keep him on the bench when he knows the Mavs needs defense.

Conclusion? No, Wang doesn't suck but he needs to be a better defensive pressence. That is what Yao Ming ALREADY is. Just ask the USA Team.

And please keep the language respectable. No need to type out the F word. Use @#$% or something.

 

Have you ever watched Wang VS Yao in CBA?If no, pls dont say that words.
I do, and alomst every game when Yao join the CBA.
At first two season, Wang is better than Yao absolutely.
But after then, Wang is becoming forward when face Yao. Do you know that means? And Wang is becoming practicing 3-point shoot from Yao's grown-up.

 

I'm no expert on Wang but I think he is a better 3 point shooter than Ming,but Ming looks to be a better rebounder and has a better mid range shot.Wang has a good up and under move and can put the ball on the floor.Ming's ball handling and passing are better than Wang's.
Ming needs to improve his low post skills but he has shown some promise there whereas Wang hasn't shown a post game yet.
I wonder why Nelson would keep him away from displaying his skills if he thought that Wang could score in the paint.

 

yeah if wang were bette rthey wouldn't have traded for raef who has a simular game style of wang. Or Najara would have gotten no pt. I mean he even played Bradley in front of him. Come now, and nelson has been coaching for the longest i think he knows whats best.

 

Sorry, can't help ya man. I've seen him play and I've never seen anything remotely resembling what you've said, in the NBA anyways. I've seen him stand around the 3 point line and that's about it. As for your comments about Nellie, he was a good player himself and is a very good coach and you're trying to say it's him that's holding Wang back? I think he might know a little bit more about basketball than you. Face it, Wang is a seven foot 3 point shooter, until I see otherwise, there's no way in hell I'd think he'll ever be as good as Yao.

 

long range sniper, please edit that out, kids read this site. Surely you can express yourself without vulgarity.


As for Wang, I can't really make a judgement on him since I have yet to see what he is capable of. I would think that if Wang was that great he would be able to crack into the Mavs as a starter, but it is Nellie ...

And I don't hear scouts wowed by Wang like they are with Ming.

I can at least say with confidence that Ming is better at this stage in his career than Bateer.

 

Wang could be Yao and Bateer's towel boy

 

Do you know why Wang is better than Yao is 3 point shooting?
Because in CBA, as Yao grown up, Wang had to shoot outside!

 

Almost 50% of Wang's shot are from the three point line. And there has never been a time when Wang drove around anybody. He pumps steps up pops a J. His only low post move is called "The SWAT"

Wish we took Bateer instead of T Mo though.

 

I didn't say that Bradley was used ahead of Wang, I said that Bradley was used for defense, Wang wasn't. Ming is considered a defensive presence, he completely changed the U.S. inside game. Could Wang do that? WHAT has Wang shown you that says he is better? Offensively what has Wang shown? Ming is shooting <b>74%</b> from the field. Wang has been nailed to the bench, how can you say he is better? Ming never won a CBA before Wang joined the NBA, so? He had a better team. The Rockets never won a championship before Jordan retired. Was it because Cartwright was a better center then Hakeem, or was it because Hakeem got a better team? Shaq never won a championship until Hakeem was past his prime. Was it because Hakeem single-handedly kept him from winning a title as a Magic and Laker, or was it because Shaq did what Ming may be doing, and that is mature? Ming was 18 and 19 years old in the CBA. Unless it was Wang vs Ming one-on-one for the championship that has no bearing on who the superior player is.

 

Something else to consider when saying that Wang is better then Ming. Why did a bunch of team try to trade up to get Ming? Why did teams like the Lakers, Bulls, Warriors and Knicks do everything they could to get Ming? Why are people considering Ming a potential franchise center? Meanwhile Wang is a free agent, and while there are whisper about interest in him nobody is breaking down the door to get Wang, and he is a free agent! in fact his OWN TEAM isn't in a hurry to re-sign him. Why is that if he is better then Ming? Why is Dallas considering trading him to Toronto for a broken down center who is considering retiring, and 3rd or 4th string center? Why aren't the Rockets talking about trading Ming to Dallas for Wang? Wang was a free agent when the season started, and still is now.

 

Wang Zhizhi does have some talents that he hasn't shown us. I heard that during the summer league plays he showed some descent post moves that he never showed with Dallas. His numbers should get better if he gets more playing time this year. It's not fair to say that he doesn't generate interests as a FA because his situation is a bit tricky (AWOL with China) and teams are afraid to sign him.

However, to say that Wang Zhizhi is better than Yao Ming is simply absurd. Just consider this: if teams beside Dallas actually knew how good Wang Zhizhi was, where would he be drafted? I would say mid to late first round. Yao Ming, on the other hand, was considered a top three pick all along.

Yao Ming's game is more suited to the NBA than Wang Zhizhi's. Wang has no defensive mentality and that simply doesn't cut it in the NBA. Because of that, his role will always be limited to a bench player. If he gets better, he maybe at best be a Toni Kukoc type player. Yao Ming, however, has a defense first mentality. That makes him a solid starter even at this stage of his career. So Yao is better than Wang NOW. And how high will Yao Ming eventually reach? Only time can tell, but I think it's safe to say that at best Yao will be much much better than a Toni Kukoc type player.

 

I think that the key difference between these two is that Wang is a stand still shooter when he's at his best. That is not Ming's best however, he is a post-player and seems to be able to shoot equally as well when not at a stand still. Those are the differences that I see anyway.

 

Wang is not better than Yao. But he is a pretty good player. He just needs to toughen up and have more PT to get NBA experience.

Being with the Mavs was not good for him because they already had enough offensive firepower. He was used as their 10th man off the bench. If he landed on some team that needs an offensive big man, he can be a starter.

 

I dug up the following stats which windandsea posted long ago:

2001 Asian Championship Team Stats
Ming:
162 minutes, 72.4%FG%, 67.6%FT, 81 rebound, 5 assist, 22 block, 13.38ppg;

Wang:
137 minutes, 63.5%FG, 3PFG 43.8%, FT 64.3%, 43 rebound, 0 assist, 2 block , 13.75ppg.

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4 games they played against each other in ChBA:
Ming: 98 pts, 74 rebs, 21 blocks.
Wang: 110 pts, 44 reboubds, 8 blocks.
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Total of the above rebs and blocks:
Ming: 155 rebounds, 43 blocks
Wang: 87 rebounds, 10 blocks.


http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36706&highlight=windandsea


Apparently Ming has a significanly higher FG percentage, and does much much better in rebounding and blocks. That's nearly twice as many rebounds and more than 4 times as many blocks! Their points scored are about the same.

Now, I don't know from what do people conclude that Wang is better than Ming!!!! I think probably from Wang's team winning the championship every year when he was playing, AND that isn't a valid premise to make the conclusion on because Wang had, or possibly had, better teammates than Ming had.

 

Let's just wait to see what Ming can win for China.
Wang did better to his NT.

 

I don't think you can use that as a measuring stick. If I remember correctly, Wang had much better teamates on that team, esp the guards.

 

USA won China 47 points at Sydney, when Wang played the main role in NT.

I don't like the comparison about Ming and Zhi Zhi at all.

 

So with your logic Kenny Smith is a better PG then Steve Francis because he won 2 rings as the starting PG for the Rockets and Francis has none.