Yao is in big trouble right now (for what he said after the game against Spain)

ha, the hairy guys actually in the league. his rights belong to the Hornets. I remember they traded their 2nd round pick for Duenas(hairy guy). i think that 2nd round pick turned out to be trenton hassell.. or it couldve been aj guyton.

 

Didn't mean to offend you. If I did, my sincere apology to you. Just that sometimes I found it annoying when some nice people trying so hard to be ''right". My point was that being mean might be appropriate on occasion.

 

Passion and determination?

So, say, game 1 of the conference finals... Yao Ming is still in horrible athletic shape (because he chooses to skip workouts for a month), plays only 20 minutes before fouling out (panting the whole way), misses most of his shots on the way to scoring 12 pts... can't grab rebounds that hit his head... and the Rockets lose to the Jazz by 25 at home.

And Yao comes out of the locker-room, places the blame for the loss on JVG, screams at Tracy McGrady for not giving him the ball enough, and then gives a TNT interview where he demands a trade from Houston...

You'll be back here, applauding Yao's "passion and determination"?

Yea, I bet.

 

That's just harsh- putting us in the conference finals against the Jazz, and losing a game?

I would demand a trade upon losing to the Jazz, too.

And would Yao put up 39 in victory in game 2?

 

I'd cheer the hell out of the guy, just like I did when he kicked ass for the CNT in game 2.

But that doesn't in any way, shape, or form change my opinion of Yao's ridiculous primadonna act after game 1. That stuff sucks, even if it's common in the NBA, especially since he personally played a big role in the loss.

Any of you guys read Iverson and the other Dream Team'ers comments after the US got their asses handed to them by Puerto-friggin'-Rico? I'm still shaking my head today. I can't believe it, Allen Iverson was a classier act that day than Yao Ming. And that's just shameful.

 

Well, from what I read, Yao didn't blame his teammates for the loss. He did admit during the outburst that he himself has not played well. He called out his teammates for giving up after the 3rd quarter and not following coach orders.

 

I don't know what you've read, but I haven't seen any quotes yet where he claims a substantial part of the guilt for the loss... beyond admitting he didn't play well (as an afterthought). (Considering the fact that he scored 39 of CNT's 69 pts in their second game, it's not at all an exaggeration to say that so goes Yao, so goes the team. And so, fair or not, he deserves extra scrutiny when the team does poorly.)

The vast majority of his criticism has been aimed at his teammates. How can I tell? Because these are his quotes:

"I'm disappointed with my teammates."
"I don't think some of my teammates cherish the honor to play for the country at the Olympic Games."
"It's not easy making into the national team. A bunch of good players were cut off to make the final squad. But I don't think they know how important it is to stand here."
"I lost all my hopes for this team".

 

America did not corrupt Yao. American money corrupted Yao.

 

Is that just your opinion, or you read it from somewhere? You need to make that clear, otherwise it's misleading.

 

Yao should tell the Chinese Officials: "Who's your DADDY?".

 

Actually only some of the media and an unnamed official critisized
Yao. Chinese basketball association doesn't have too much
control over the media.

 

that's just it. i think it's annoying. saying things you don't mean just to piss certain people off... isn't that the definition of troll behavior?

i put up with it because occassionally on non-Yao issues he puts up good points.

 

YPZlease find one negative comment about Yao made by me in this entire thread.

Hell, find one from the last few months.

Find one that I've ever made that doesn't have any legitimate backing.

Some of you hardcore pro-Yao guys devour anyone who treads too closely on Yao; I've seen you call out Chinese posters before and accuse them (thinking of Ivan2k, whose commentary I find dead on most of the time) of being trolls and haters and bashers etc.

You guys need to stop being soooooo defensive.

Christ, I'll still get into it with people every now and then when people, months after Francis is gone, start a thread that says somethiing like

"Thank god those no talent jerkz are gone!11!!! They're the reazon why we lost to the Clippers so much last year!!!"

Stuff that is just factually inaccurate and demonstrably wrong, I won't hesitate to point out that it is wrong. Saying that Francis or Mobley couldn't run a break or turn the ball over too much is one thing, saying that they're the antichrists and responsible for every single failure is another.

I've pointed out Yao's failures in the past, I've pointed out Steve's, I've pointed out Cato's, Jim Jackson's, etc. And I'll point out Tracy's in turn. There's nothing trollish or bashing or flaming about that . That's just talking about the rockets. I'm here to talk about the Rockets, and as far as I'm concerned, Yao Ming is one and I'll talk about him liek I talk about the rest.

Look at this thread, while I was kidding, hell, if the CNT's charges were legit, that he was too "Americanized" and outspoken, of course he learned some of it from Francis. But it doesn't matter, the combination of me not seeing Francis as evil and Yao as saintly just makes certain posters go nuts -- so they respond accordingly, call me a racist, and make all sorts of ridiculous, hysterical allegations -- no matter what it is that I post.

Lighten up, everybody.

 

I'll do that.

Just please don't accuse anyone of being biased and unfair in defending Yao when you will not admit to doing the same thing for Steve Francis. There was no mention of Steve Francis in this thread, it couldn't have had LESS to do with Steve Francis. You just can't get over the fact that some people blamed Francis for holding Yao back, and then he got traded. So you feel bitter and have to express that through sarcasm. Count the number of threads about Francis, and count the number of time you've jumped in to defend him. X = Y. Not even the most ardent Yao defender has that kind of record.

I'm not saying Francis held Yao back that much, I've never been that much of a Francis hater. But it's a valid point. The late Ralph Wiley said once wrote something to the effect of "7-6 guy with awesome skills and free throw shooting touch not getting passed to? that's criminal!"

What I don't think you need to do is to put sarcastic comments just to try to make people mad. What was the whole point of your more than one "blame Francis" posts? Lending us the light of your insight? BS.

Okay this is my last post on this topic, we've been through it all before, I know it's a waste of time. I just find your other posts worthwhile but your posts about this extremely annoying. I won't argue with you, because A) you obviously won't concede points and B) 7000 posts in a little more than a year, you'll end up getting the last word anyway.

 

I've never understood stuff like this. Those guys have been traded. I don't see the point in tearing into a guy that's headed out the door. And I really hate it when people denigrate someone in order to praise someone else. And that applies to fans all around the country, not just here with Steve and Yao. Kobe fans will often say stuff like "Shaq is a fat slug", and Shaq fans will come back with "Kobe is a talentless freeloader". Believe me, I live in LA and those quotes are only slightly exaggerated.

All that being said, we both know that when you make a sarcastic post about "Steve being evil" that it's just a snide backhanded slap at the Anti-Steve posters. That wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but for the past couple of weeks you seem to be doing it in every single Yao or CNT thread. In that case it seems like you're out to make trouble, in much the same way like those "Thank god those no talent jerkz are gone..." type comments.

How about you save the Francis sarcasm for a thread with actual Francis Bashing. What do you say? We can even do one for the road. I'll go first:

What do you get when you cross Steve Francis with the Devil?

Redundancy.

 

No, Yipheng, I don't give a sh-t that Francis is gone. I don't know how many times I have to say that to have you believe me. I don't own Steve Francis merchandise, I've never met him, I didn't watch his MTV cribz, I didn't denounce the McGrady trade, pre- or post.

That's a fabrication.

No, that is just dead wrong. Dead, dead wrong.

Y >>>>>>>>>>> X.

If I responded to every single post that bashed Francis over the last 15 months, I would have WAY, WAY, WAY more than 7,000 posts.

There are certain threads that presented, as I said before, dishonest or mistaken factual premises about Francis or whoever that were so skewed as to be ludicrous, and were the product of either ignorance or bias, and I don't deny posting many times in those threads.

If you're going to make a claim like that, you should offer up some proof. You can't, because it isn't true.

And the not so late Van Gundy once said, after watching the entire 2002-2003 season on tape:

"They did pass the ball to him, I know it's been written a lot, but that doesn't make it true"

Reasonable minds can differ, but I think that you and everybody else must concede ultimately that the person most responsible for holding Yao back or bringing Yao forward wears #11 and is 7-6.

I was kidding. You didn't laugh, which doesn't surprise me, at all. Life goes on. Get over it. Although, like I pointed out above -- there likely is a grain of truth to it, ironically enough.

I've conceded many, many points before. I've been dead wrong about a lot in my life. I thought RIchard Jefferson was going to bust. I also thought he'd flourish in the Olympics. I thought thte Rockets were going to sweep the jazz in 97. I thought Harold Miner was going to be better than Robert Horry. I thought the Lakers were going to beat the Pistons. I thought Francis would turn it around and find his outside shot at some point this season. I thought Bill Clinton wouldn't cheat on his wife. I thought Iraq had WMDs. I should have asked this chick Stacy back in 1998. I could go on and on, and on.

I've been wrong on this BBS before too. I've misinterpreted things and relied on bad information, and conceded such.

Of course, you're going to use the cop-out of "well, you never change your mind and always say you're right." Generally I do, because I try to pick my battles wisely and only when I believe I have a solid backing of factual information on which to base my opinions or conclusions. Until somebody can show me factual information (or at least, some form of legitimate, non-circular reasoning) that somewhow shows I'm wrong, than fine. But usually they can't, and you usuallly don't.

I mean come on, that one knock down drag out you got into me over was some stupid canard about how Marbury was quantifiably less of a "streetball" player than Francis. That's a dumb thing to argue over, first of all, and is not going to be anything that you'll ever be able to show any conclusive proof of in any event. Of course I'm not going to concede on something that subjective.

 

I'm pretty sure I've done it all of twice., that is, in 2 threads.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, to say the least. But if I'm mistaken, I'll gladly concede. All of those threads are in the Int'l forum, so you can bust me on it if I'm wrong without too much trouble.

 

To those who may not know, Yao's mom was one of those middle level "Chinese Officials". Imaging what she would say if she was a member of the delegation

 

I coulda sworn it was you... It was a drawing done during his rookie year after the Rox drafted him, he had on a big cowboy hat and the drawing had the words Houston here I come or something like that. It wasn't done to mock Yao or asians in general, the guy who drew it probably just hasnt seen an Asian in real life.

Well anyway, no biggie. Sam has his opinions about Yao, but they arent delusional like some other crazed anti-Yao's or YOFs on this board. Everytime he makes a point, from what I read, he is pretty consistent and seems openminded to me, so honestly I really dont see anything worth arguing over