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Yao, Adelman, 3 pointer, efficiency

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jopatmc, Jun 23, 2007.

  1. doublehh03

    doublehh03 Member

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    um see rafer? im sure all he does is practice shooting 3s and jumpers and i'm sure he hits >50% in practice. i mean, when i play pick up ball, i don't mean my open Js all the time like i do when i practice.

    what ur thinking is practice v. reality. i'm sure 90% of all NBA players can hit their fav shots in practice. but that same WIDE OPEN shot in an NBA game is much tougher.
     
  2. MONON

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    Let's see now. Yao makes 100% of his 3pt shots and "they will ALWAYS leave yao open out there" according to doublehh03. Say it takes 9 seconds to get the ball across mid court(8 seconds) & to Yao and the opponent takes 24 seconds to get a shot off. That's 33 seconds for a possession for both teams. In a 48 minute(2880 seconds) game, that's 87.272727 possessions per game. Since I only was good enough to play school bb to the 9th grade level, I apologize to denniscd for having an opinion on this scenerio. But the mathematician in me makes me speak out! That's 261 points per game for Yao!! :eek:

    Now I ask you. When was the last time a team scored more than 200 points in regulation??

    Now I don't know bb; but in this case; I would plant Yao at the 3pt line and play 4 on 5 defense. :D
     
  3. denniscd

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    yao shooting 3's is moronic...last post about this
     
  4. jopatmc

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    No, I'm talking about a guy that hits 70% in practice. Could it possibly translate to 40% in games?

    I'm talking about him shooting 40% in games.
     
  5. MONON

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    Even at 100% as doublehh03 suggested?
     
  6. doublehh03

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    yes. b/c u know why? if yao makes his first 5 out of 6 or something ilke that, the coaching staff and everyone would be fooled into thinking that COULD be a big part of his game and take yao further away from teh basket.

    yao still has WAYS to go in his post game. if he can work on that and be even more dominant, oh my, we've got our stud. again, i still think yao can dominate even more in the post. he still has not fully learned how to use his body quite yet. and when he does, he'll dominate even more than the beginning of last yr.

    taking yao away from the paint simply negates that. we have enough shooters here.

    its ok to shoot the ft shot when teams collapse on tracy on the pick and roll and yao is wide open. but who the hell passes to a 7'6 guy for a 3pter?

    even NBA live 07 or a video game doesn't do that.
     
  7. yao_fan_2007

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    Speaking of videogames, on NBA2k7, Wang is an awesome 3 point shooter. He's like 7'1, and nobody can guard him. He makes shot after shot.

    Maybe we should sign Wang to the Rockets, serve as a backup Center or even a PF.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    LOL, yeah I mean if he can hit 40%, which would make him one of hte absolute top three point shooters in the entire league, sure why not?

    Hey for that matter, if we can get John Lucas III to average 10 boards, I think our PF problems are solved!
     
  9. MONON

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    If Yao is hitting 100% from the 3 pt line, why would anyone want to move him further from the basket? Why would you want him to work harder on his post game? I suppose so he could be shooting 100% from the paint. Therefore I can only suppose you would rather a player hit 100% of their 2's than 100% of their 3's. :confused:
     
  10. smasstastic

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    Exactly.

    Yao certainly could shoot threes, but he shouldn't make it a routine part of his repertoire like Okur. It would make him less effective rebounding and scoring inside as well as clogging the perimeter. Do you really want rafer, shane, or head to be forced to bring the ball into the paint? Also he would lose a double team, because nobody is going to double team a three point shooter. People in the NBA are athletic and quick enough to at least throw off his shot a little.

    Now if he is comfortable with his threes he should under certain situations. If he creates a pick and roll on the perimeter for T-Mac and manages to lose his defender, sure knock down the shot.
     
  11. doublehh03

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    man did u know i said that just to point out that yao and the team would fall in love w/ the jumpshot, and thus take away his real game, inside the paint.

    u do understand that logic right? there's a reason we have the saying, "fall in love with the jumper? => which leads to certain guards (tmac??) not penetrating and things like that.

    the same can be applied to yao if u want him to take jumpers. he feels he sees less banging, easier time, thus he might fall in love with it. as a result, it negates our dominance in the paint.

    obvliously if anyone can hit a 100% of their shots anywhere on the court, u do that. but what you are saying is illogical b/c that would never happen.

    all im saying is it's VERY EASY to fall in love w/ shooting the jumper. and if yao makes 1 or 2 of his first 3s, he'll ask adelman to shoot more and more. eventually, he might be overly perimeter-oriented.

    get it?
     
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    i dont mind yao taking ft line jumpers, but there i no disputing that if yao was stronger in the post, he would shoot even higher percentage and cause even more problem vs other teams. During Utah series, they started single covering Yao and didn't dominate the entire game like he should under single coverage. Just like with t-mac, everytime he shoots a long jumper, he lets the other team off the hook
     
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    exactly. yao still has not attract consistent double teams in the post and u want to take his game ot the outside?

    u want yao to make the game easier for his perimeter teammates, not force them to do what he should do.
     
  14. MONON

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    Exactly!!! The 100% scenerio was your post #110 in which you stated that you(as an opposing coach) wouldn't guard him even if he took 100 shots in that scenerio. That statement is illogical as well.

    Just because Yao is 7-6, don't lock him in the low post. At 7-6 Yao has a higher center of gravity than everyone else. That makes him easier(not easy)to move out. That's the same principle that offensive & defensive line coaches preach in goal line stands-stay lower and why a 330lb Sumo wrestler can drive a 600 pounder out of the ring in 3 seconds-stay lower.

    I think Adelman's offense will explore the range of Yao's shooting ability. He shoots 90% free throws which is unheard of for a 7 footer. I'd like to see what his range actually is. Yao's main game is center, but not his only game. In the business world, you are more valuable the more versatile you are. The same is true in bb. You are harder to defend the more things you can do well.
     
  15. yao_fan_2007

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    Why do people still bring up the Utah series? You do know that Yao was not 100% right? That he was recovering from a broken leg, right? That he was suffering shoulder injury, right?

    If Yao was the pre-injury Yao, they would double him. Absolutely.
     
  16. Barkley

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    Well I can agree. After the injury Yao wasn't the same Yao at all. Why? Cause before the injury he had been attackin' a lot and then after that fu*kin' injury he started to play worse. Every time he got the ball he just turned and shot the well-contested jumpers. Of course they didn't go in.
     
  17. doublehh03

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    ok, tell me what % was he? i'm sure he was over 85-90% range b/c of how i saw him play the last 10-12 games of the reg. season.

    but in your assessment, what was it??

    dude, NO ONE is 100% healthy in the playoffs, esp. for those who plays a full season. there is always some small nagging injuries.

    but tell me yao_fan, what % was yao at? unless it's 50-60%, anything above 75% should dominate a white okur and 6-8 milsap
     
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    Keep in mind that Tim Duncan also failed to dominate Okur, who managed to fluster him into averaging about 4.5 turnovers a game, and that Boozer lit up Duncan as badly as he lit up Yao.

    Yao conceded that the knee injury caused him to lose quickness, which obviously hurt him in that series, since his baseline spin was completely ineffective.
     
  19. yao_fan_2007

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    Hey limp brain. Yao was not suffering from some nagging injury. He came back from a broken leg. Right below his knee cap. That is not some nagging injury, tard. That is a serious injury, potentially career ending, and of course it affected his mobility. And being away from the game for months severely affected his stamina. He was out of game shape, and struggled to regain it.

    That Yao was able to play as well as he did was due to his work ethic.


    Learn to THINK before you speak. How you can call Yao's injuries "nagging" and compare his injuries to every other player who is at the time, at seasons end, not as fresh, is border line r****ded.
     
  20. MadMax

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    yes. by all means let's rotate our 7'6" dominant center out around the 3 point stripe. yes...yes...a thousand times yes.
     

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